[UK] Farage v Clegg - LBC tomorrow

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It's gonna be good.

It's pistols at dawn, right? No wait - hand grenades at dawn? Who-can-survive-this-painful-poisoning at dawn?

Frankly, who-can-quit-politics-the-fastest at dawn will do me.

Is it too much to hope they both take each other out

But seriously, I'm surprised by how little of this has been in the news, I didn't even realise it was tomorrow until I saw this post. As a supporter of the EU, albeit with the recognition that it needs democratic reform in the long run, I'll be sure to listen in and enjoy the political dust up. I don't agree with Farage but he does know how to put on an entertaining show, and Clegg is actually quite a skilled debater. Funnily enough I met Clegg at my school and asked him a question about climate change a few years back, a year before he became Deputy PM.

If it was possible for me to give any less of a toss about this I would spontaneously combust.

You'll still be tuning in though, won't you?

Get my metaphorical purple and yellow scarf out. No flegs though.

Link for anyone interested: http://www.lbc.co.uk/watch-lbc-leaders- ... arch-87667

First half hour going well, pretty neck and neck. Both of them calling the other out on their mistakes (Farage making stuff up, Clegg not answering questions). Both sides being a bit distasteful (Clegg pulling out old UKIP election leaflets from recent by elections, Farage attacking wind turbines and constantly implying that Clegg is the one with the masses of ties to industry and banking).

My stream dropped out after Clegg called out Farage for not voting in Britain's interests. I just clicked onto a new one and Clegg is doing it again.

Apart from the possible contrariety over the discourse of same sex marriage; it's clearly ascertainable in my point of view that Farage absolutely overpowered that traitor (he's called Clegg) throughout their altercations over the EU, and he would've replicated his asservations implicitly had he been discordant with "David Cameroon" or "Ed Millipede."

Center right libertarian and UKIP supporter.

I noticed how Clegg thought it best not to have a go at him for his EU parliament record, which is considerably better than Clegg's is in the House of Commons. (Plus UKIP isn't in the Parliament to better it; we want out.)

Frankly, Clegg was boring and pulling on people's heartstrings. Manipulative drivel.

The LBC and Sun opinion polls come out decisively in favour of the Barrage. (LBC Twitter poll: Farage won 70% of the votes and he won the quick Sun poll too.)

Still looking forward to next time, Nick?

Full debate:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6hy8KyedJA#t=274[/youtube]

I assume everyone knows about this already: http://nickclegglookingsad.tumblr.com/ ?

Anyway - is it just about the EU?

Faridge has the Innsmouth look. Never trust the Innsmouth look. Batrachian bastard.

In the red corner: Sinn Fein. Don't like the UK, don't show up to the UK government, don't claim wages or expenses. Fair enough, boycotting. Perhaps there are better strategies, but they're doing it properly.

In the blue corner: UKIP. Don't like the EU, rarely show up to the EU votes, claim their wages and millions in expenses. That isn't a boycott. If you're serious about how much you hate the EU, stop taking money from it.

If Clegg doesn't vote in the Commons, Sheffield suffers, and liberalism suffers. If Farage and Nuttall don't vote in the European Parliament, Britain suffers. Just last week, Nuttall failed to show, and a motion passed that endangers British jobs with Airbus. If they aren't prepared to help Britain, they shouldn't run for important offices. If they're determined to "boycott", they should do it properly.


Kettle.

You were saying about Sinn Féin?

From 2012:

Sinn Fein under fire over Westminster expense claims

Sinn Fein is milking Westminster to claim £460,000 a year for its constituency offices in Northern Ireland — despite none of its MPs taking their seats.

And its TDs are breaking parliamentary rules in the Republic by paying activists out of cash claimed for travel expenses.

Sinn Fein said people voted for its abstentionist MPs and that it used the money to provide “first-class constituency services”.[/quote]

From 2009, but still:





Now, that's not true, is it?

The attendance record of UKIP's MEPs varies significantly (remember that most of these MEPs are extremely busy with other duties too - it's not like the big parties that have a large internal structure so they can spend their time at Strasbourg or Brussels), and don't forget that they are enormously busy. Their priority is not to spend all day in the parliament in meetings and in committees where they will be sidelined and ignored, but to raise awareness and use their position to expose the iniquity of the EU and to aid their constituents.

There's little point in UKIP attempting to positively engage with the parliament as they know that it's a complete waste of time. They vote when they think that it's important



Why waste time in Parliament each day voting, when those votes are a foregone conclusion anyway? Remember that anti-EU MEPs in the Parliament make up a tiny percentage of the total - the parliament is overwhelmingly federalist. The federalists have a majority of around 90%. Whenever there's a vote, there's usually the same 40-50 or so MEPs that disagree and the other 710-720 or so that vote for it.

Remember that we despise the EU.

Ex-Tory and now UKIP MEP Roger Helmer recently wrote an article on his blog, in which he gives an idea of what he does as an MEP:





They get the same wages and expenses that all other MEPs get and are entitled to. In fact, they take less from the system than the other MEPs (there was the case of them . You object because UKIP don't like your parliament and work to remove us from it.

The expenses go towards funding their political researchers, travelling time (although UKIP had actually decried the extreme 'generosity' of these expenses in the past), their office staff, their people that communicate with the media. Same as with every other MEP in a political party.

By the way, if you want to read UKIP's expenses details, you're more than welcome to read them. See here (http://www.ukipmeps.org/mypage_16_TR.html).



They're a member of the parliament and use that position to influence opinion back home. It works well for us.



Clegg votes much less than Farage does, but both run national parties.



Oh, and by the way, on the Airbus vote I believe that there's a second vote (which Nuttall and UKIP will be at).

They are helping Britain. By trying to remove us of this wretched cancer on our country.

Love Britain! Vote UKIP!

Until next time, Cleggy.

I withdraw my praise of Sinn Fein on this matter.

It doesn't undermine my broader point. If you want to boycott a Parliament that you oppose on principal, you shouldn't claim wages or expenses.


Well, the only UKIP supporter I know recently described the EU as "a wretched cancer on this country". They are a single issue party (OK, two issues if you count overturning the smoking ban). I think it is fair to say that most people who support UKIP have a firm dislike of the EU, or at least some aspects of it such as liberal immigration policies.

Well, I have respect for that. I don't expect people to show up to every vote. I expect people to stand up for our interests and European interests when it is important. Clearly Mr Helmer is more active than many MEPs, if he sometimes feels he needs to miss a vote on some unimportant issue or one where his vote would be meaningless, then fair enough. His activity does not excuse the inactivity of the likes of Mr Farage and Mr Nuttall.


I don't object to Eurosceptics getting paid. I object to Eurosceptics "boycotting" but still getting paid. Striking workers don't get paid, neither should striking politicians.

It's little more than a Punch and Judy show. Something that makes good television bringing in large numbers of viewers who enjoy a spectacle but is otherwise a shallow, simplistic, and politically barren slanging match.

I also find it questionable why a man who isn't even an MP from a party with no MPs should be given such high profile media coverage.

Thank you, I'm going to watch that later.