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13 Feb 2007, 11:09 pm

I mean it's easy to say a group of people who murder for extreme ideological purposes, but American settlers were called terrorists for fighting for their freedom. Americans have massacred possibly thousands of innocent japanese, koreans, vietnamese, and iraqi CIVILIANS just out of the sheer hatred bred from war. The human rights abuses stacking up from UN "peacekeepers", are these not acts of terrorism? Is the media terroristic because it sells fear through tv airwaves?

It seems to me that terrorist is a word that has no clear definition. I'd be more likely to say that any power extremist, reguardless of religion, ideology, or nation, who advocates killing innocent people, are subject to be called terrorists.



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13 Feb 2007, 11:15 pm

If they oppose me their terrorist.

If they defend me their freedom fighters.



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13 Feb 2007, 11:17 pm

Yeah but lets say they defend you, but they oppose another man, then it's just a point of perspective. Your freedom fighter is his terrorist.



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13 Feb 2007, 11:20 pm

it basically boils down to two things:
1. Who is logically in the right,
2. And what methods or tactics are they using, and are those methods/tactics logically neccessary? Is anyone innocent gonna get hurt?



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13 Feb 2007, 11:21 pm

In america a terrorists is an arab or middle eastern person. Also a muslim.

The nuking Japan was a illegal and therefore a war crime.

Europeans are the original terrorists. Look at their history and it explains why I call Europeans the original terrorists. They killed people based on religious ideology. When they came to america, they intentionally spread small pox to the natives to kill them off.

The UN is a joke.

Edit: don't forget the British. They enjoyed killing people based on the ideology.



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13 Feb 2007, 11:25 pm

I'd prefer just to say extremists who have the ability to do harm are terrorists, no matter of their sub-division. It's not a white, black, brown, arab, asian thing, it's not a christian, muslim, buddhist, jewish, atheist, or pagan thing, it's not an american, european, russian, iranian, egyptian, japanese, chinese thing, it's an extremist thing. Though religions and political ideologies do tend to be brought to the extremes very often.



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13 Feb 2007, 11:51 pm

Any unprovoked violent action committed by a nonnation-state to support a certain ideology. I just made this up on the fly.



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14 Feb 2007, 12:03 am

snake321 wrote:
Yeah but lets say they defend you, but they oppose another man, then it's just a point of perspective. Your freedom fighter is his terrorist.


Thats my point.

snake321 wrote:
it basically boils down to two things:
1. Who is logically in the right,
2. And what methods or tactics are they using, and are those methods/tactics logically neccessary? Is anyone innocent gonna get hurt?


The winner is usually right.



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14 Feb 2007, 12:20 am

Anyone who opposes my belief is a terrorist



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14 Feb 2007, 12:49 am

Corvus is a terrorist



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14 Feb 2007, 12:54 am

TheMachine1 wrote:
snake321 wrote:
Yeah but lets say they defend you, but they oppose another man, then it's just a point of perspective. Your freedom fighter is his terrorist.


Thats my point.

snake321 wrote:
it basically boils down to two things:
1. Who is logically in the right,
2. And what methods or tactics are they using, and are those methods/tactics logically neccessary? Is anyone innocent gonna get hurt?


The winner is usually right.


Well according to how people run things, yeah the winner is right. But in reality victory doesn't define right or wrong, lets say Hitler won WW2 (alternate reality here), are his actions morally correct JUST because he won?

Actually, I'm shocked I'm saying this headphase, I think you've got the best definition yet



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14 Feb 2007, 12:59 am

snake321 wrote:
TheMachine1 wrote:
snake321 wrote:
Yeah but lets say they defend you, but they oppose another man, then it's just a point of perspective. Your freedom fighter is his terrorist.


Thats my point.

snake321 wrote:
it basically boils down to two things:
1. Who is logically in the right,
2. And what methods or tactics are they using, and are those methods/tactics logically neccessary? Is anyone innocent gonna get hurt?


The winner is usually right.


Well according to how people run things, yeah the winner is right. But in reality victory doesn't define right or wrong, lets say Hitler won WW2 (alternate reality here), are his actions morally correct JUST because he won?

Actually, I'm shocked I'm saying this headphase, I think you've got the best definition yet


Ask the Cherokee tribe they were treated in a nazi fashion before Hitler was born.



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14 Feb 2007, 1:03 am

headphase wrote:
Any unprovoked violent action committed by a nonnation-state to support a certain ideology. I just made this up on the fly.


Well actually, why does it HAVE to be committed by a non-nation state? America is a nation state, you wouldn't call the Hiroshima bomb dropping an act of terrorism? Look at how many innocent civilians died because of it.



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14 Feb 2007, 1:14 am

Dropping the Bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a the worst crime against humanity. That is an act of terrorism, Mass Murder of innocent civilians. Specially since dropping the bomb on both those cities was completely unnecessary. It just an act of terrorism to wipe out as much as possible in a single bomb.



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14 Feb 2007, 1:54 am

Terrorist: An individual, group or nation that causes terror to improve their lot.

George W. Bush, and most US presidents of the 20th century are great examples. As well as Adolf Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, Pol Pot, Tony Blair, Kim Jung Ill, Napoleon, Some Vikings et al.

The A-bombs on Heroshima and Nagasaki are great examples of terrorism, it caused so much terror in the Japanese people and commanders that they gave up.

The Agent Orange and Napalm in vietnam was also great examples of terrorism.

Most countries are afraid (i.e. they are 'terrified') of the US terror (i.e military) machine which is made up of paid terrorists/mercenaries. The US army causes terror/fear in the minds of others by saying 'Do as we say or we'll bomb your ass'. Therefore they are 'terrorists'.



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14 Feb 2007, 2:54 am

TheMachine1 wrote:
The winner is usually right.


not necessarily so, although generally speaking history is written by the winner.


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