Cops Attack Mentally Ill Man in Disturbing Dash Cam Video

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08 May 2014, 5:34 pm

http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/ ... cam-video/

Happens all the time TBPH.

Heh, the FB page for these criminals is getting hammered pretty hard by the public it seems. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dearborn ... ?ref=br_tf



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08 May 2014, 6:29 pm

Always great to see the police out there serving and protecting :roll:


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08 May 2014, 7:14 pm

The guy was in the street messing with his bike, so it seems the officer was in the right to stop, and see what was going on. Technically , it is probably some city violation to be standing in the road with your bike.

How is it not reasonable suspicion ?

It is at 4:48am, the guy is in the road (probably violating a city ordinance), the guy does not respond to the officer's questions, or explain himself, and the officer's job is to be on the look out for suspicious activity. The officer notes city violations of the bike (e.g., not having a light). If the officer lets this guy stay in the street working on his bike, then a car may drive by, and kill this guy and injure others.

The officer told him that he would search his body for "firearms".

Quoted: "The police may search your body without your consent for firearms or other dangerous weapons. You should make clear that you do not consent to a full search of your person. (Again, if they ignore you, do not try to resist them physically.)"
source, http://www.michiganlegalaid.org/library ... /html_view

The guy resisted the officer. At that point the officer needs to subdue this person with whatever means necessary, so the officer is not killed. Police officers are often in the news for being killed by mentally-ill and dangerous people.


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08 May 2014, 7:59 pm

I will point out too ...

"Once the incident was under control, officers cared for the well-being of Mr. Beydoun by transporting him to Oakwood Hospital for suspected mental health issues," the Dearborn police statement said. "A family member was contacted" and "told police that despite his behavior during the incident and his lack of ability to clearly communicate with officers, he did not take medications, did not have a mental health diagnosis or have a known mental illness."

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index ... o_all.html


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08 May 2014, 8:03 pm

From the article"

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Mr. Beydoun was on a bike at 4:47 a.m. in a neighborhood that has experienced auto thefts and break-ins. It is common for criminals to use a bike when traveling to an area to steal cars. Autos have been stolen in cold weather when owners start them, but leave them unattended to warm up.

- Being out at that hour on a bike in a neighborhood with recent auto theft issues looks suspicious, hence the police stop
-The suspect was not responsive. He had the excuse of mental incapacity but to an unknowing cop that might indicate he was dealing with a druggie or someone being intentionally stupid
- It appeared they did nothing more than take him down and restrain him to be searched with no evidence of beating or tasing

In this case I'm not seeing police brutality.
The only thing that seemed excessive is the quantity of responding units just to subdue one individual. I saw five cars including the first show up, and then a sergeant walked around from behind the first car which indicates another car outside the scope of the first car's dash-cam. I've noticed this to be common anywhere, though not always necessary or wise.

I know of a much worse case where some PA state troopers stopped a mentally handicapped individual and really did brutalise him repeatedly, all caught on the dash-cam.


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08 May 2014, 10:48 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
The guy resisted the officer. At that point the officer needs to subdue this person with whatever means necessary, so the officer is not killed. Police officers are often in the news for being killed by mentally-ill and dangerous people.


I like you you lump mentally ill and dangerous into the same catagory. Also though it looked as though they went far beyond 'whatever means nessisary' in order to protect the officers life. pretty sure the kicking I saw going on part way through was not necessary a lot of it seemed unnecessary.


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09 May 2014, 4:51 pm

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I like you you lump mentally ill and dangerous into the same catagory.


"According to some estimates, as much as 50% of the U.S. prison population suffers from some form of mental illness".
http://journalistsresource.org/studies/ ... ice-system

So, there is very strong reason to link mental-illness and danger together.

However, the reason I stated it was because I live close to Dearborn (the city in the video) and we often see it on tv, or read about
online about how some mentally-ill person attacked or killed someone. Perhaps, it is more common in the Detroit area, than where you live.

They are often shutting down mental care places, and letting these people end up in prisons.

yet again ...

May 1 2014
Funding cuts send hundreds of mentally ill onto Detroit's streets
http://www.freep.com/article/20140501/N ... rvice-cuts


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09 May 2014, 6:07 pm

Raptor wrote:
From the article"
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Mr. Beydoun was on a bike at 4:47 a.m. in a neighborhood that has experienced auto thefts and break-ins. It is common for criminals to use a bike when traveling to an area to steal cars. Autos have been stolen in cold weather when owners start them, but leave them unattended to warm up.

- Being out at that hour on a bike in a neighborhood with recent auto theft issues looks suspicious, hence the police stop
-The suspect was not responsive. He had the excuse of mental incapacity but to an unknowing cop that might indicate he was dealing with a druggie or someone being intentionally stupid
- It appeared they did nothing more than take him down and restrain him to be searched with no evidence of beating or tasing

In this case I'm not seeing police brutality.
The only thing that seemed excessive is the quantity of responding units just to subdue one individual. I saw five cars including the first show up, and then a sergeant walked around from behind the first car which indicates another car outside the scope of the first car's dash-cam. I've noticed this to be common anywhere, though not always necessary or wise.

I know of a much worse case where some PA state troopers stopped a mentally handicapped individual and really did brutalise him repeatedly, all caught on the dash-cam.


I don't understand why the cops reacted like that. It was a man fixing his bike chain. That was just crazy. He clearly was not doing anything to a car he was on a bike.
If they caught him in the act of doing something I would understand but he was obviously not doing anything to anyone. I don't get it. He didn't seem suspicious or paranoid in the slightest.

What might have happened is someone called him in as suspicious and the cops responded based on the call.



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09 May 2014, 6:32 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
The guy was in the street messing with his bike, so it seems the officer was in the right to stop, and see what was going on. Technically , it is probably some city violation to be standing in the road with your bike.

How is it not reasonable suspicion ?

It is at 4:48am, the guy is in the road (probably violating a city ordinance), the guy does not respond to the officer's questions, or explain himself, and the officer's job is to be on the look out for suspicious activity. The officer notes city violations of the bike (e.g., not having a light). If the officer lets this guy stay in the street working on his bike, then a car may drive by, and kill this guy and injure others.

The officer told him that he would search his body for "firearms".

Quoted: "The police may search your body without your consent for firearms or other dangerous weapons. You should make clear that you do not consent to a full search of your person. (Again, if they ignore you, do not try to resist them physically.)"
source, http://www.michiganlegalaid.org/library ... /html_view

The guy resisted the officer. At that point the officer needs to subdue this person with whatever means necessary, so the officer is not killed. Police officers are often in the news for being killed by mentally-ill and dangerous people.


If the police are not intelligent enough to discern that a person is developmentally disabled then the police are not intelligent enough to wear a badge. This kid is obviously not "right." That is clear from the giddyup.



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09 May 2014, 7:34 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
I like you you lump mentally ill and dangerous into the same catagory.


"According to some estimates, as much as 50% of the U.S. prison population suffers from some form of mental illness".
http://journalistsresource.org/studies/ ... ice-system

So, there is very strong reason to link mental-illness and danger together.

However, the reason I stated it was because I live close to Dearborn (the city in the video) and we often see it on tv, or read about
online about how some mentally-ill person attacked or killed someone. Perhaps, it is more common in the Detroit area, than where you live.

They are often shutting down mental care places, and letting these people end up in prisons.

yet again ...

May 1 2014
Funding cuts send hundreds of mentally ill onto Detroit's streets
http://www.freep.com/article/20140501/N ... rvice-cuts


You do realize the U.S has one of the highest rates of non-violent offenders in prison correct? And many of those people have mental illnesses....and most studies imply mentally ill people tend to be more likely to be victims of violent crimes than the perpetrators. Also much of the time they act like the mental illness is what made them do it when there are other factors. Non mentally ill people can do violent things to. Obviously people with mental illnesses need more help not to be sterotyped as violent crimminals just waiting to hurt someone.


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09 May 2014, 7:54 pm

Well, you also have to keep in mind him being out late like that isn't really safe for him, either, if he is developmentally disabled. It's dangerous and that might very well be why the cop stopped him. When he reacted the way he did, the cop became possibly scared and decided to cuff him. It looks really scary and I think they overreacted in the amount of cops but there could be a sound explanation. It might not be due to criminal suspicion, more to make him aware it isn't safe to be out like that. But I dunno.
If they did stop him just for the bike chain that's wrong but if they stopped him because they knew who he was and that he is possibly not safe, I can understand a bit more why.



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09 May 2014, 7:58 pm

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You do realize the U.S has one of the highest rates of non-violent offenders in prison correct?.


Sure, the severity of the danger varies. A non-violent drug offender with a history of the non-violent crime of say home/business invasion (theft for drug money) would be less severe of a danger than a serial murderer.

However, I think your implied argument that non-violent offenders are not a danger is lacking support.


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09 May 2014, 8:08 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
You do realize the U.S has one of the highest rates of non-violent offenders in prison correct?.


Sure, the severity of the danger varies. A non-violent drug offender with a history of the non-violent crime of say home/business invasion (theft for drug money) would be less severe of a danger than a serial murderer.

However, I think your implied argument that non-violent offenders are not a danger is lacking support.


The implied argument of society that, normal people aren't dangerous is lacking in support...anyone has the potential to become dangerous, but based on that they should lock everyone up or instate martial law before its too late.


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09 May 2014, 8:16 pm

When there have been multiple crime issues in an area, like in this case, the cops tend to be a bit more assertive. Why? Because that's what John Q. Taxpayer expects. I've always liked taking occasional walks late at night/early in the morning and a few times I've had the cops put the bright lights on me and inquire what I was doing, especially when there had recently been issues in the area I was in or near. I faced them, hands out in the open, and told them what street I live on. I've always got ID on me to back that up but I haven't been asked for it. It ends there and both them and I move on without further ado.
In that video I saw no one being shot, beaten, tazed, or handled more roughly than the situation called for. He did appear to be acting messed up and they simply took him down, regardless of any mental health excuses. He was not charged with anything.
I honestly don't expect any more or less out of the cops so stop making me defend them.


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09 May 2014, 8:35 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
I like you you lump mentally ill and dangerous into the same catagory.


"According to some estimates, as much as 50% of the U.S. prison population suffers from some form of mental illness".
http://journalistsresource.org/studies/ ... ice-system

So, there is very strong reason to link mental-illness and danger together.

However, the reason I stated it was because I live close to Dearborn (the city in the video) and we often see it on tv, or read about
online about how some mentally-ill person attacked or killed someone. Perhaps, it is more common in the Detroit area, than where you live.

They are often shutting down mental care places, and letting these people end up in prisons.

yet again ...

May 1 2014
Funding cuts send hundreds of mentally ill onto Detroit's streets
http://www.freep.com/article/20140501/N ... rvice-cuts


Aren't the seriously mentally ill usually brought in on nuisance crimes, rather than actual violence? I'm reminded of something I read on NAMI, where one of the speakers had a son with schizophrenia which was left untreated; for whatever reason, the son decided to break into his neighbor's house to take a bubble bath and got slammed with a felony for it. The father tried getting the charges dismissed on the basis of his son's mental illness and to get court-ordered treatment instead, but tge neighbor found it to be such a severe intrusion that they decided to press forward with the felony charges, so to prison he would probably go with a felony record when he gets out.


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09 May 2014, 9:07 pm

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Aren't the seriously mentally ill usually brought in on nuisance crimes, rather than actual violence? I'm reminded of something I read on NAMI, where one of the speakers had a son with schizophrenia which was left untreated; for whatever reason, the son decided to break into his neighbor's house to take a bubble bath and got slammed with a felony for it. The father tried getting the charges dismissed on the basis of his son's mental illness and to get court-ordered treatment instead, but tge neighbor found it to be such a severe intrusion that they decided to press forward with the felony charges, so to prison he would probably go with a felony record when he gets out.


I can't find the statistic, but I would agree with you more or less.

Mentally-ill are put on the streets, become homeless, have no access to medicine, then they are a danger to others.

“Most people [with mental illness] by far are incarcerated because of very minor crimes that are preventable,” says Bob Bernstein, the Executive Director of the Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law. “People are homeless for reasons that shouldn’t occur, people don’t have basic treatment for reasons that shouldn’t occur and they get into trouble because of crimes of survival.”
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/02 ... on-reform/

I would also point out in your example, that kid is now labeled for life. Employers will be able to check his criminal record, and see "Felony" and not hire him over another candidate. This may cause him to become an "outcast", and fall into the above mentioned troubles.


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