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30 Apr 2014, 6:38 pm

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30 Apr 2014, 6:51 pm

People need to get a reality check on what a gun silencer is. It doesn't make a handgun sound like a sneezing cat so that you can stealthily kill people, but reduces the loudness of a gun by about 20 dB, so that you won't permanently damage your hearing by using it at for example an indoor shooting range.

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30 Apr 2014, 7:24 pm

You need an NFA license to own one in the US.. I believe that it costs $200 per year to maintain it. They require two full sets of fingerprints, and they do a backgroud check.

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30 Apr 2014, 7:31 pm

Ha! I'm gonna put a silencer on my assault shotgun, and then it's Katy bar the door!

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30 Apr 2014, 7:50 pm

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All NFA items must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Private owners wishing to purchase an NFA item must obtain approval from the ATF, obtain a signature from the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) who is the county sheriff or city or town chief of police (not necessarily permission), pass an extensive background check to include submitting a photograph and fingerprints, fully register the firearm, receive ATF written permission before moving the firearm across state lines, and pay a tax.[citation needed] The request to transfer ownership of an NFA item is made on an ATF Form 4.[13] Many times law enforcement officers will not sign the NFA documents. There have been several unfavorable lawsuits where plaintiffs have been denied NFA approval for a transfer. These lawsuit include: Lomont v. O'Neill,[14] Westfall v. Miller,[15] and Steele v. National Branch.[16] In response, Tennessee and Alaska have passed state laws which require the CLEO to execute the NFA documents.[citation needed]

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The tax for privately manufacturing any NFA firearm (other than machineguns, which are generally illegal to manufacture) is $200.[citation needed] Transferring requires a $200 tax for all NFA except AOW's, for which the transfer tax is $5 (although the manufacturing tax remains $200).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

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30 Apr 2014, 7:51 pm

Kurgan wrote:

it really is disturbing that so many people seem to get all their gun knowledge from movies.

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30 Apr 2014, 7:59 pm

Kurgan wrote:

This. True "silencers" don't exist, only suppressors.

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30 Apr 2014, 8:06 pm

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:

This. True "silencers" don't exist, only suppressors.

I also used to get very pedantic about that point, but then I read that the man who invented them. Hiram P. Maxim, called them 'silencers', and I've decided to defer to him on the question of terminology. It is annoying that people don't seem to understand what they do or their legal status though.

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30 Apr 2014, 8:08 pm

Jacoby wrote:

Kurgan wrote:

it really is disturbing that so many people seem to get all their gun knowledge from movies.

What's disturbing is how blindsighted americans became with this gun idiocy.

But, if you want to check for yourself, watch the Daily Show with Jon Stewart of 29th of April. If you want to, I can sum it up in few words: in Georgia a law was passed allowing guns to be used almost everywhere. What is one of the few rare exceptions? The place where the lawmakers work.

Gun people: good luck with your reactionary, blindsighted response in defense of the people who want to watch you kill each other.

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30 Apr 2014, 8:10 pm

Yes, absolutely outrageous that in 39 states someone can pay a $200 tax, submit a set of fingerprints, receive permission from the chief law enforcement officer of their county, wait 9-12 months on a background check, and then maybe purchase an item that reduces the report of their firearm from 'deafening' to simply 'loud'... :roll:

Incidentally, the author of that article should read up on other countries, as even those with very stringent gun control laws often allow, if not mandate, the use of firearms sound suppressors, as they're considered a safety item, not to mention common courtesy. Just dumb all around.

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30 Apr 2014, 8:13 pm

ModusPonens wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

Kurgan wrote:

it really is disturbing that so many people seem to get all their gun knowledge from movies.

What's disturbing is how blindsighted americans became with this gun idiocy.

But, if you want to check for yourself, watch the Daily Show with Jon Stewart of 29th of April. If you want to, I can sum it up in few words: in Georgia a law was passed allowing guns to be used almost everywhere. What is one of the few rare exceptions? The place where the lawmakers work.

Gun people: good luck with your reactionary, blindsighted response in defense of the people who want to watch you kill each other.

Does anyone know specifically WTF ModusPonens is jabbering about?

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30 Apr 2014, 8:18 pm

ModusPonens wrote:

But, if you want to check for yourself, watch the Daily Show with Jon Stewart of 29th of April. If you want to, I can sum it up in few words: in Georgia a law was passed allowing guns to be used almost everywhere. What is one of the few rare exceptions? The place where the lawmakers work.

Ahh yes, a satirical "news" show, where all the "informed" people get their information, the same people who evidently think uninformed mockery is a valid form of argument...

Many states have gun policies similar to those recently enacted in Georgia; did any of them see spikes in violence after the laws passed? Do you even have any idea?

Perhaps you should limit your accusations of "blindsight" to topics that you actually know something about, though that admittedly might cut into your post count.

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30 Apr 2014, 9:02 pm

Kurgan wrote:

Well, I believe such "silencers" are possible, but here's what you don't really see shown.

1. You have the "suppressor," and the more you want it to suppress, the bigger it has to be (making a weapon unrealistic to tote about).

2. You need sub-sonic ammo...fast enough to kill when it hits the target but the less charge behind the bullet, the less of a "BANG" there is to conceal.

Think of it like a car exhaust. The muffler bounces the exhaust gasses back and forth across baffles so the sound of detonation is lost in the baffles, and you hardly hear anything out the tailpipe. A suppressor has to do something similar with the expanding gasses as the bullet is ejected from the barrel...with the direction of flight being the only angle with no suppression at all.

Again, the more effective, the bigger it has to be.

It also helps if the shot is taken at a time when there's more background noise for it to be lost in.

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30 Apr 2014, 9:35 pm

zer0netgain wrote:

Think of it like a car exhaust.

Good metaphor, as the firearms silencer and automobile muffler were actually invented by the same guy, and really are nearly identical in both form and function.

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30 Apr 2014, 10:06 pm

Kurgan wrote:

I think people can use noise suppressing headgear for a pistol at the range. It may not make a handgun completely silent but combined with background noises it can be used effectively enough for a criminal. I can understand silencers for long guns when hunting or at the range. I don't even know if there are different silencers for long guns and handguns but I do know there is no reason to make it easier for bad people to use handguns for bad purposes. If I can wear earplug all the time because of sensory issues, I think people who shoot handguns for pleasure can use hearing suppressors at the range or when practicing for a few hours. Gun owners could at least act like they are concerned about public safety and make an effort instead of being so selfish and touchy.

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30 Apr 2014, 10:33 pm

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Kurgan wrote:

No, not really. Not only is a suppressed handgun nearly impossible to conceal (is that a pistol in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?). Also, most criminals employ weapons to pacify, they don't intend to shoot anyone. And, quite frankly, it doesn't matter if someone hears the shots anyway - by the time that person can call the police and the police arrive, they're long gone.

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