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How many of you agree with this statements made by a well known Christian
Agree 21%  21%  [ 5 ]
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13 Feb 2007, 8:11 pm

How many of you agree with this statements?

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."



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13 Feb 2007, 8:21 pm

Religion makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. It is not based upon logic, fact and reason. My Aspie brain just doesn't know what to make of it.


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13 Feb 2007, 10:51 pm

Every man, woman and child is my responsibility. No matter what deities they worship.


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13 Feb 2007, 11:06 pm

I was raised Lutheran (low cost budget line of Catholicism). I always wondered why I just didn't really get it. I take religion not so much illogical as non logical.


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14 Feb 2007, 12:54 am

Metal_Man wrote:
Religion makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. It is not based upon logic, fact and reason. My Aspie brain just doesn't know what to make of it.


i agree. i have talked to some very smart religious people before, and i understand why i cannot understand religion. its the concept of "faith". i think its logicly flawed, but thats the point. believe something with no proof, or even evidence to the contrary. anything could be a "test of faith" or "gods will".
my mum is a christen and when i was little she answered me questions about how things worked and why things are how they are, as "god did it". i never accepted this answer. "how did god do it?" "why did god do it" "if god did this like this, why not that like that?" as i learnt more about christen beliefs, i got more and more questions. if noahs arc really was true: wouldn't all animals be related? how did he get kangaroos? shouldn't there be wayyyyyyyy more fish and birds then mammals? what did lions eat if they wouldn't have ate any of the other animals? etc
so yeah, its probably not religion you don't understand; its faith.



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14 Feb 2007, 2:10 am

Hardly any of what you quoted made any sense. Yet again, that isn't surprising because religion makes no real sense anyway.


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14 Feb 2007, 5:27 am

Who was this a quote from? Doesn't sound like a real Christian to me.

I'd be happier if I knew the context of this statement i.e. is it modern, or was it by someone in Middle Ages or something?

The whole thing sounds like twisted logic, by someone trying to use their so-called faith as a means to justify their own distorted views of the Jews. Jesus was a Jew and He was the son of the Jews' God sent to save them & all humanity. If He'd wanted the Jews crushing, He would have started an open rebellion against the Romans, who would have crushed it with ruthless, bloody efficiency as they usually did.

The second of Christ's two great commandments was to "Love Your Neighbour". It was an unequivocal statement which didn't exclude anyone.



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14 Feb 2007, 6:04 am

Yeah, who wrote this?


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14 Feb 2007, 6:39 am

I disagree with that anti-semitic statement above, even if I was Christian, which I am not in reality.



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14 Feb 2007, 10:02 am

Hitler was catholic. I don't actually know if he had been excommunicated, but I wouldn't think so.
I don't think very highly of some aspects of the Roman Catholic Church. I would want the big Churches to collapse, that would give me satisfaction of a kind.
Luther did actually state similar views.



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14 Feb 2007, 1:06 pm

Hitler, who was born a Catholic but did not believe in it's tenants nor the tenants of Christianity, despised Pope Pius XII (who was part of a plot to overthrow Hitlr) and had to be talked out of kidnapping him one of his aids.

What is this obsessing with portraying Hitler as some sort of traditional Christian when clearly his religious beliefs are rather eccentric? If people want to be atheists, fine, but that doesn't mean they have to be proceed to be so anti-religious to just make up lies.



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14 Feb 2007, 2:17 pm

None of the statements. No human ethnic group is evil :roll: Yes, some factions and groups are downright bad and counter-progressive, including extremist religious groups.


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14 Feb 2007, 5:07 pm

It makes me sad that when one guy who claims stuff like this it makes everyone who is christian get a bad name, i am Christian and what seperates us from Jews is the NEW testerment, and also Jesus himself was a Jew and i dont know of this statement made by this guy but it seems like he has cherry picked this and that part of the bible and turned it into something that is contradictory to the bible in the first place,

Now this guy sounds like a racist but as all i have to go on is the copy type that amerikasend has put on here i cant judge this guy.



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14 Feb 2007, 5:13 pm

amerikasend wrote:
How many of you agree with this statements?

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."


I think that the well-known Christian (is it Hitler in Mein Kampf) is talking abject nonsense. Jesus never advocated that his followers (initially almost entirely Jewish) should fight against His own people. He was a fighter, but not as the word is commonly used. And it was some of the Romans who carried out the sentence, even if at the behest of SOME of the Jews. It is illogical to assign credit or blame on the basis of descent; equally to use someone's religious persuasion as grounds for justifying murdering them is a distortion of reason (which is admittedly far from infallible).



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14 Feb 2007, 5:24 pm

kayetes wrote:
Hitler was catholic. I don't actually know if he had been excommunicated, but I wouldn't think so.
I don't think very highly of some aspects of the Roman Catholic Church. I would want the big Churches to collapse, that would give me satisfaction of a kind.
Luther did actually state similar views.


True, Martin Luther (the German reformer, not the civil rights activist King) was an anti-Semite, particularly later in life. So was the Emperor Constantine, first "Christian" Roman Emperor. I think earlier Luther had made some conciliatory statements about the Jews, but he certainly abandoned this later and said some truly appalling things about the Jews.

Calvin was less anti-Semitic but on the other hand he did have the Socinian/Unitarian Servetus killed for heresy. (Lutherans, Calvinists and Roman Catholics were pretty united, with a few humane exceptions, in wanting him (Servetus) dead). There was a similarly unanimous hostility to the Baptists (alright some were dangerous revolutionaries, but many like Menno Simons were pacifists and basically the forerunners of the Amish, though they did have a tendency toward secceding from society).



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14 Feb 2007, 6:19 pm

I believe the quote is from Hitler in his book "Mien Kampf", or translated into english, "my struggle". Yes, he was an absurd lunatic. You'll hear alot of this kind of rambling on the 700 Club.