What do you think about universal healthcare?

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What do you think about Obama Health Care, in Poland we also have public health care, it have some flaws, but every Polish Citizen has access do Doctor, i would be also glad for British first hand opinion about their "NHS" system does you think is good or bad?

As for Obama even if he is a liar and a cheater , claiming to be someone who in fact was not and could never would be .

Would law he signed would be null and void?

I heard about American legal doctrine called "de facto officer doctrine" that even is he wrongfully elected the laws he signed would still be valid
that makes sense to me, it's about avoid potential legal chaos.

Probably the person who had hoped to annul the law of universal health care would be inconsolable

By the way, I wonder why some American politicians , so loudly protesting against universal health care . In Europe all countries have universal health care program , can in my country, Poland , the National Health Service, founded by taxes and and from special tax that is added to paycheck is not the best quality, sometimes you have to wait a few months in the queue, to a specialist , but everyone has a chance , do not depend on whether citizen is poor or rich , but rich Polish can take advantage of a private medical practice, or buy additional medical insurance , but not everyone can afford it. America is a superpower , Americans earn much more than European and certainly more Poles , but I'm sure that among Americans, there are also people with low incomes who may be not afford private health insurance .

Public health has worked well in New Zealand for nearly a century. Insurance is optional. No-one is charged for treatment in public hospitals as long as they are citizens of NZ. The treatment is of a very high standard.
The costs are met from the taxation revenues (which are high). New Zealanders would not have it any other way. It's the only level playing field remaining here, where no-one is left out. The last jewel in the crown of a society which once believed in fairness, healthcare, good housing and opportunity for all.

I'm British. I think the NHS has problems, but I think these are largely down to management, and attempts to either privatise or marketise the service. I think universal healthcare is a very good thing. As B19 said, it's one of the remaining vestiges of something like a decent, civilised society.

Medicare (the U.S. health care) has an unfunded liability of 89 trillion dollars and the drug benefit program has a 22 trillion dollar unfunded liability, so promised benefits of 111 trillion dollars, and America is already very broke.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

The government trustee that runs Medicare reported that it will be insolvent in twelve years.

Obama does qualify for office, producing both forms of the birth certificate from the State of Hawaii in which he was born; as the State of Hawaii falls within the United States and Obama was under U.S. jurisdiction at the time of his birth, he was a citizen due to the circumstances surrounding his birth and therefore a natural-born citizen.

Ja. The health care is still a big issue, with the public Medicaid expansion, meant to be expanded from what it was, a federally funded state-run health insurance plan for the disabled, poor pregnant women, and poor families with children, to encompassing everyone making less than 138% of the federal property level (FPL) as their household income; the federal government for the first 2 years would pay for 100% of the expenses of expansion, but afterwards would slowly decrease their financing to 90% of expenses, something at which states run by Obama's political opponents balked, because the state would have to eventually pick up 10% of the tab. The federal law had required that each state expanded Medicaid by January 1, 2014, or the federal funding for all of Medicaid would be cut; the Supreme Court ruled that requiring expansion in this matter was not a power that Congress possessed and so struck it down. About half the states have refused to expand Medicaid like the law was meant to have happen.

This lack of expansion of Medicaid exposed a serious problem, because the federal government only subsidizes the purchase of private insurance on the exchanges for people making between 100% and 400% of the FPL (the understanding in the original law being that all those under 100% of the FPL would be on Medicaid), so in those states where Medicaid has not been expanded, many making below 100% of the FPL qualify neither for Medicaid nor subsidies to purchase private insurance on their state's exchange.

The law could not be amended to address the issue since by 2012 the Republicans have controlled the House, and they want to see the law undermined and fail, due to their opposition to universal health care.

There is no reason why properly priced insurance should not work.

ruveyn

you could make the same argument for any sector that is traditionally, otherwise funded by the government.

How would you feel if you could only get police assistance if you had insurance that allows you access to it?

I love the concept of the NHS, and there's no way it should ever be abolished. Some elements could do with reform on occasion, but the central tenet - free at the point of access healthcare, funded by the taxpayer - should be a central pillar of our civilisation.

See also: perpetual motion machine.

Does it work for electric power, roads, sanitation, and schools as well?

1. I could care less what any other county does as far as health care.

2. IMHO, the best time for the USA to have gone to national healthcare would have been during the great depression or during the Kennedy / Johnson era. It's gotten too big to effectively tackle at this point. The ones screeching the loudest in favor of it are the career freeloaders and the utterly clueless, which should speak volumes.

You remind me of a woman in Texas, when I was visiting there, who told me that travel to other countries would be a waste of money for Americans because "we have everything here". She couldn't care less about anywhere else either. This insular viewpoint seemed to make her very ignorant about the rest of the world. She thought New Zealand was in Australia and asked me if I lived in the outback or saw kangaroos in my garden. Duhhh...

Surprise: no, America isn't the be all and end all of the world.

It seems you don't care very much about what any other country does about anything.

Is it only Obama you would say this about? How about every other national leader. Why do you use the words of the crazy people?

If you really insist, I could take an interest in how other countries run their internal affairs but I bet you won't like the tone of it.

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Why would I?

Maybe because you wouldn't like others seeing you as fitting the stereotype of the Ugly American? Or you enjoy being one?

I did meet some nice cultured ones too on my 3 month road trip across the states, thank goodness.