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16 May 2014, 5:08 pm

what a bunch of delusional idiots.


http://rt.com/usa/159244-operation-amer ... ashington/



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16 May 2014, 5:34 pm

There are idiots like this in every country. What I want to know is why Russia Today picks up this non-event?



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16 May 2014, 5:42 pm

I have seen RT cover a lot of stories unrelated to Russia. They are not the only organization covering this non story



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16 May 2014, 6:00 pm

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There are idiots like this in every country. What I want to know is why Russia Today picks up this non-event?


The same reason the US reports on non-events in Russia and it's sphere of influence, they have an agenda. The difference being that the US can project its power and make those non-events into real events. Despite it's pro-Russian slant, Russia Today is a valuable source of alternative news and certainly no more of a propaganda mouthpiece as say the NYT or CNN and they're a lot more honest about it.

As for the protest, yea it's delusional if the guy actually thinks 10 to 30 million people will show up but I don't he honestly believes that. It's just symbolism and anybody willing to stand up to our criminal government deserves praise, Vietnam protests started small as well. What those militias did in Nevada was heroic, they may of saved Bundy his life all because the government wants to push him off that land.

Always follow the money, cui bono. Who stands to benefit from the unrest in Ukraine? Who stood to benefit from pushing Bundy off that land?

The US is considering lifting it's oil export ban which would cause energy prices in this country to skyrocket which Obama has already promises us. We've taken out major energy producers and export lanes in Iraq, Libya, Syria, and attempting the same in Ukraine which most of Europe's gas goes thru. There is a lot of unrest down in Venezuela and the US has been pushing sanctions and threats of on Iran for years now.



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16 May 2014, 7:02 pm

oooooooookkkkk
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16 May 2014, 8:23 pm

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A retired United States Army colonel expects as many as 30 million like-minded individuals will descend on Washington, DC this week and demand that President Barack Obama and other members of his administration be booted from office.


It won't happen, but wouldnt it be wonderful? :D


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16 May 2014, 8:33 pm

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It seems like you are labeling them 'delusional idiots', because you think they are naive (i.e., they will not be able to oust Obama and Boehner)? I don't think they are naive. I think they are just saying they will oust them for effect, not because they really think they can.

Also, ASD people get called disparaging names like 'idiot' or 'dumb', because of their slower mental development. So, it made me cringe.

I never say anything bad about anyone online, or in real life because of the torture (i.e., I know how much it hurts).


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16 May 2014, 8:38 pm

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What those militias did in Nevada was heroic, they may of saved Bundy his life all because the government wants to push him off that land.
Always follow the money, cui bono. Who stands to benefit from the unrest in Ukraine? Who stood to benefit from pushing Bundy off that land?

Not to derail the thread, but Clive Bundy was trespassing on BLM land (not private land, but federally protected land for ALL U.S. citizens). He refused to pay his grazing fees for over 20 years (over 1 million dollars worth), thus passing on the cost of maintenance to the U.S. taxpayer. He lost two court cases over this issue, the first nullifying his grazing rights for overdue fees, the second charging him with trespassing when he refused to vacate the premises.
Who stood to benefit from pushing Bundy off the land you ask? The American taxpayer, that's who because that's who footed the bill when he became a deadbeat renter. If you were a property owner and you had a renter that refused to pay rent for 20 years do you think that renter should be allowed to continue using your property? Doesn't sound like good business sense to me.



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16 May 2014, 8:47 pm

Sounds like they want to 'occupy' Washington; yeah, only a bunch of delusional morons would try something like that.


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16 May 2014, 9:12 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
khaoz wrote:


It seems like you are labeling them 'delusional idiots', because you think they are naive (i.e., they will not be able to oust Obama and Boehner)? I don't think they are naive. I think they are just saying they will oust them for effect, not because they really think they can.

Also, ASD people get called disparaging names like 'idiot' or 'dumb', because of their slower mental development. So, it made me cringe.

I never say anything bad about anyone online, or in real life because of the torture (i.e., I know how much it hurts).


I suspect the leadership is full of hot air and sh*t, and is only interested in attention from what they term "the lamestream media." But there are probably a great many of the rank and file who either don't have the intelectual capacity, or are just too ideologically fanatical, to realize that this is just a big show put on to stoke the egos of said media grubbing leaders. And unfortunately, there might be a Timothy MaVeigh or more in the crowd who actually buys into the dangerous fhetoric.


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17 May 2014, 12:56 am

Friday as in today?

Well, it didn't work.

What gets me about the right is everyone has to put up with their sorry candidates when they are in office so they gotta do the same when someone they like is in. That's life. They need to quit belly aching because the most one can stay in is eight years. Every four years someone else gets a shot so qit whining already. I swear America has become a country of instant gratifiers and criers who do not have the maturity and wisdom to wait anything out. America has problems taking turns, too.



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17 May 2014, 12:59 am

These are the same idiots who want to impeach Obama for either Benghazi, or where he allegedly was really born. If they really want to retake the White House, then they should try to win the next election, rather than trying to undo the results of the last.


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17 May 2014, 8:06 am

No one's going to impeach his majesty
There's not going to be an "American Spring"


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17 May 2014, 8:58 am

trollcatman wrote:
There are idiots like this in every country. What I want to know is why Russia Today picks up this non-event?


Probably because Putin wants as many distractions as possible from his blatant power-grabbing.



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17 May 2014, 9:41 am

Aristophanes wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
What those militias did in Nevada was heroic, they may of saved Bundy his life all because the government wants to push him off that land.
Always follow the money, cui bono. Who stands to benefit from the unrest in Ukraine? Who stood to benefit from pushing Bundy off that land?

Not to derail the thread, but Clive Bundy was trespassing on BLM land (not private land, but federally protected land for ALL U.S. citizens). He refused to pay his grazing fees for over 20 years (over 1 million dollars worth), thus passing on the cost of maintenance to the U.S. taxpayer. He lost two court cases over this issue, the first nullifying his grazing rights for overdue fees, the second charging him with trespassing when he refused to vacate the premises.
Who stood to benefit from pushing Bundy off the land you ask? The American taxpayer, that's who because that's who footed the bill when he became a deadbeat renter. If you were a property owner and you had a renter that refused to pay rent for 20 years do you think that renter should be allowed to continue using your property? Doesn't sound like good business sense to me.


Bundy's issues weren't the grazing fees, he couldn't even pay the grazing fees until he signed an agreement with the federal government reducing his herd from north of 900 to about 150. Bundy offered to continue paying the grazing fees to the county without signing to the agreement but obviously the feds weren't having none of that. Imagine the government cutting your income by <80% , that's how a rancher makes their livelihood and that is essentially what the BLM was doing. They were trying to force the Bundy family off the land that they've ranched longer the BLM and the state of Nevada have even existed. Every other rancher in Clark County has been forced from their land over the last 30 years, Cliven Bundy is literally the last one and he has taken a courageous stand. The open range system has existed for hundreds of years and the desert tortoise which the government claims to be protecting has lived in harmony with cattle for as long as they been in contact, the feds actually just euthanized hundreds of those protected desert tortoises in that same area. The BLM made these new regulations on their own, there was no congressional approval. It was all unelected bureaucrats. The government spent WAY more than even the inflated amount floated out there by the BLM was ever owed on it's assassination plot against the Bundy family, they were ready to massacre him and his family like they did the Weaver's and the Branch Davidians. The government doesn't do that because you're late on fees, they do that because because you pose a threat to their authority. Regardless of your opinion on the BLM/Bundy dispute, I can't see anyone besides the extreme bootlickers could support the armed thuggery of federal government.



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17 May 2014, 10:24 am

Jacoby wrote:
Bundy's issues weren't the grazing fees, he couldn't even pay the grazing fees until he signed an agreement with the federal government reducing his herd from north of 900 to about 150. Bundy offered to continue paying the grazing fees to the county without signing to the agreement but obviously the feds weren't having none of that. Imagine the government cutting your income by <80% , that's how a rancher makes their livelihood and that is essentially what the BLM was doing. They were trying to force the Bundy family off the land that they've ranched longer the BLM and the state of Nevada have even existed. Every other rancher in Clark County has been forced from their land over the last 30 years, Cliven Bundy is literally the last one and he has taken a courageous stand. The open range system has existed for hundreds of years and the desert tortoise which the government claims to be protecting has lived in harmony with cattle for as long as they been in contact, the feds actually just euthanized hundreds of those protected desert tortoises in that same area. The BLM made these new regulations on their own, there was no congressional approval. It was all unelected bureaucrats. The government spent WAY more than even the inflated amount floated out there by the BLM was ever owed on it's assassination plot against the Bundy family, they were ready to massacre him and his family like they did the Weaver's and the Branch Davidians. The government doesn't do that because you're late on fees, they do that because because you pose a threat to their authority. Regardless of your opinion on the BLM/Bundy dispute, I can't see anyone besides the extreme bootlickers could support the armed thuggery of federal government.


I live in a rural area with a lot of farmers/ranchers, BLM land, national parks and even an Indian reservation, all within a 15 minute drive. I'm well versed with federal government and local disputes. The problem here is that Bundy didn't recognize the federal government's authority and yes you're right that will get you a boot in the ass. The federal government will protect it's jurisdiction, it's the hallmark that separates the Constitution from the Articles of Confederation-- a strong central government. Also, un-elected officials have been hallmark of this country since it's inception. We're not a democracy (every issue voted on by the people), we're a republic (the people vote in representatives to solve the issues). There's no guarantee in the Constitution that every decision making post in the government will be elected, only that there will be some form of representation for the people. Hell, an entire branch of the government (courts) was specifically designed to deny the people's access. If you don't like that system of government you'll have to change the constitution or overthrow the U.S government itself-- good luck with that.