The wrong mind: by thinkinginpictures

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TallyMan
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04 Jun 2014, 6:04 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:

I hate people with the wrong mind.

By wrong mind, I refer to those who buy Abstract Art, want to increase administration costs, and other stuff that serves no practical purpose and drains the economy.

Basically everything that ordinary people do not understand, is caused by the wrong mind.

Let's take an example:

This painting:

- was sold for 72.84 million (USD).

One may indeed wonder why, and since ordinary people cannot understand this, I will say this is not even art. It is decadence.

Other stuff includes politics: There are people who defend spending billions of government money into administration and bureaucracy costs, instead of spending them on more direct stuff that can be seen, felt, heard etc.

These people who spend money on abstract art, and vote for politicians who want to increase administrative costs and bureaucracy, are not worthy of being citizens!

But, as always in my posts, I do want a discussion about this subject. I am now asking you:

WHY should they deserve the attention and rights they have?
WHY is abstract art worthy art?
WHY is adminstration costs and bureaucracy or just about anything that has no practical purpose, any value in our society?

I'm anti-bureaucrat and anti-waste of the publics' money by government. However, if an individual wants to buy abstract art that is their choice. Can't say I like the artwork you show above but I do like quite a lot of abstract art and surreal art.

I'll just add that it if fuc*ing annoying when I post a reply to one of your threads and find you've deleted it in the meantime!

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04 Jun 2014, 6:06 am

I deleted a lot of posts that I regret having posted, posting them because I didn't think twice.

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04 Jun 2014, 6:09 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:

I deleted a lot of posts that I regret having posted, posting them because I didn't think twice.

Please think twice before posting a new thread! It is annoying and disrespectful to other members who may write replies in the meantime. This is the 2nd time you've caught me with this. You've probably caught other members too.

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04 Jun 2014, 2:55 pm

Not surprisingly, other totalitarians in history have railed against modern and abstract art as 'decadent'. The first step to gaining dominion over the mind, is to gain dominion over the information it consumes and has access to.

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04 Jun 2014, 4:52 pm

TallyMan wrote:

thinkinginpictures wrote:

I deleted a lot of posts that I regret having posted, posting them because I didn't think twice.

[tease] Watch out thinkinginpictures-- you've just pissed off a local WP bureaucrat. :salut:

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04 Jun 2014, 5:16 pm

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Not sure if this is valid, I for one find it abhorrent that in a world were so many suffer poverty someone can spend that sum of money for an adornment for a wall. I make no judgment on its artistic merit.

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04 Jun 2014, 5:48 pm

I think the painting is beautiful. I would not spend 72 million dollars on it but I would spend 60$ for a framed print. I already have spent 60$ for a framed Jackson Pollock print. I am sure somebody has called his work decadent at some point.

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04 Jun 2014, 5:52 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 78808.html

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The decision to include culture and art in the US Cold War arsenal was taken as soon as the CIA was founded in 1947. Dismayed at the appeal communism still had for many intellectuals and artists in the West, the new agency set up a division, the Propaganda Assets Inventory, which at its peak could influence more than 800 newspapers, magazines and public information organisations. They joked that it was like a Wurlitzer jukebox: when the CIA pushed a button it could hear whatever tune it wanted playing across the world.

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05 Jun 2014, 12:36 pm

There is a reason I deleted my original topic, which TallyMan re-posted:

I quickly figured out that I am not one to judge what is good and bad art.
Surely, the individual behind this painting may have done some effort putting into it.

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05 Jun 2014, 12:54 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:

That doesn't mean you can't have an opinion about it.

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05 Jun 2014, 1:17 pm

Hi thinkinginpictures.

Personally I believe everyone has the right to like or dislike what they please.

For example: If someone is answering a post by you and you decide, for personal reasons, to remove your post some people will not like it.

On the other hand there are people who feel it is normal, rational, and expedient to use the forum removal tool when necessary and so are not offended when someone does this, and they continue on as though nothing has happened.

Can you say either person is not allowed a choice of their belief? It doesn't matter if the most sophisticated art critic in the world lauds the painting, YOU DON"T HAVE TO LIKE IT, just as you don't have to like broccoli, etc.

But art appreciation is like everything else. The more you learn. the more of the finer points can be recognized and appreciated (artists may spend their entire lives perfecting their art). Maybe take a class if possible? And, after that, you still don't [/i]have[i] to like it (but you may).

Perhaps artists commenting can give the rest of us insight into what they use to form their decisions and thereby bring us up nearer their level of appreciation and understanding.

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05 Jun 2014, 3:21 pm

Do people buy these pieces of art because they find beauty in them or do they buy these pieces of art to impress other people who spend money to impress others? It feels like this is what wealthy people use their money for.self worship and impressing others.

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06 Jun 2014, 8:01 am

khaoz wrote:

Human "instinct" to protect, guard, etc. reside in each of us.

This is more evident in people who have more, certainly. In many cases this is all that remains of their life after a lifetime of grasping. I feel compassion. They may only buy these for investments or some other "cold cash" reason. Many art works in museums are there for our edification thanks to the donation by rich people.

So we can never know someone's inner reasons but can still appreciate and respect other's choices and good fortune.

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06 Jun 2014, 10:54 am

If I was rich I'd buy whatever I liked,wouldn't care about impressing other people.They would likely be more impressed by the money than art anyway.

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06 Jun 2014, 11:34 am

Misslizard wrote:

If I was rich I'd buy whatever I liked,wouldn't care about impressing other people.They would likely be more impressed by the money than art anyway.

Yes; we're taught when young to idolize money but little time is spent teaching our kids art.

(Mothers: Change this please.)

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06 Jun 2014, 12:09 pm

I guess the OP ( maybe it was just a temporary state of mind) expresses similiar views to a certain art observer of the 1930's who once said "Anyone who would produce a painting with a face painted green should be sterilized!".

That tastemaker was ofcourse Adolf Hitler.

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