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09 Jun 2014, 2:41 pm

Ever heard about AtheistForums.com?

Well, I joined the forum a while ago, and whilst they proclaim tolerance, liberty from religious dogma etc, well, that is only in regards to the non-believers.

Even to non-believers, I'd say that AtheistForums.com is a place where they take one member out (in this case, me) and use him as a scapegoat.

It is a place where bullying is VERY prevalant.

No matter WHAT I say, it is wrong, ridiculous and my posts are always BS.
Not because of the content of my posts, but because _I_ wrote them.

This particular thread is a very, very clear incidence, to judge for yourself:
http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=5164.0

It's the post by the member "DunkleSeele", who also happens to be amongst the staff.

This is my OP (in case they alter or delete it):

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I've googled Existence, and found this article on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence# ... row_senses

However, it did not answer my question.

Some star some far away from our galaxy that does not influence our lives at all, or at any point, and which we might not know wether to exist or not, does it exist anyway?
Of course it does. Even though it does not affects us in any way what so ever, the star exists regardless of wether we believe in its existence or not. Einstein expressed it as:
"The moon exists no matter if I look at it or not" (now, this is a poor example, because the moon does affect our life, ie, Tides, causing the sealevel to rise and fall.

However, even if the moon did not affect anything on the planet Earth, I'd still say it exists.

Something does not have to exist in relation to something else, in order to exist, which is what many people tend to believe in these days of "relativity-thinking".

There IS an absolute Truth, we don't know what it is, but it is still there.


This is the response to me by DunkelSeele:

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]Aaaaand... here comes mediumaevum with another one of his BS threads.

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Listen, dimwit: if a star exists it exists, still if we don't know anything about it we can't make any statement about its existence. No, scratch that, let me put it in simpler words, so maybe your single brain cell will grasp it: there is no evidence of a gawd, period.

Now go back to your mom's basement.


Well, if this ain't personal attacks on an otherwise proper topic, I don't know what a personal attack is then.

It came from the staff.

AtheistForums.com is a scandal to the atheists around the world. I hope they don't represent atheists around the world. I know some atheists, and they are perfectly nice people.
But AtheistForums.com is nothing but a schoolyard filled with bullies.



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09 Jun 2014, 2:55 pm

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Some star some far away from our galaxy that does not influence our lives at all, or at any point, and which we might not know wether to exist or not, does it exist anyway?
Of course it does. Even though it does not affects us in any way what so ever, the star exists regardless of wether we believe in its existence or not. Einstein expressed it as:
"The moon exists no matter if I look at it or not" (now, this is a poor example, because the moon does affect our life, ie, Tides, causing the sealevel to rise and fall.

However, even if the moon did not affect anything on the planet Earth, I'd still say it exists.

Something does not have to exist in relation to something else, in order to exist, which is what many people tend to believe in these days of "relativity-thinking".

There IS an absolute Truth, we don't know what it is, but it is still there.


What does this even mean.



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09 Jun 2014, 2:58 pm

TheGoggles wrote:
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Some star some far away from our galaxy that does not influence our lives at all, or at any point, and which we might not know wether to exist or not, does it exist anyway?
Of course it does. Even though it does not affects us in any way what so ever, the star exists regardless of wether we believe in its existence or not. Einstein expressed it as:
"The moon exists no matter if I look at it or not" (now, this is a poor example, because the moon does affect our life, ie, Tides, causing the sealevel to rise and fall.

However, even if the moon did not affect anything on the planet Earth, I'd still say it exists.

Something does not have to exist in relation to something else, in order to exist, which is what many people tend to believe in these days of "relativity-thinking".

There IS an absolute Truth, we don't know what it is, but it is still there.


What does this even mean.


That there is an ultimate truth (laws of gravity, etc.) that we can disagree on, but it won't disappear, and it still is there, wether you believe in it or not.



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09 Jun 2014, 3:07 pm

Don't post there anymore. Those types of sites are toxic. You are right, it is obviously bullying, and you didn't say anything to deserve that type of response from a staff member.

If a staff member is bullying, there is no hope. The site is doomed.



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09 Jun 2014, 3:08 pm

I don't know about organized atheism in the US, but in Norway, it can be divided into people who hate religion because it's "cool" to do so (typically high school dropouts with nothing going for them) and people with a superiority complex because of a 105 IQ, a membership in some kind of Marxist-Leninist party, and an associate degree in philosophy.


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09 Jun 2014, 3:09 pm

You seem to be implying that there is some kind of ethical/moral code that can be expressed as a scientific law, which is not the case. In fact, it's basically the opposite. Celestial bodies don't care one way or another what they slam into or how long they take to orbit a star. Lions don't consider the feelings of a gazelle before killing and eating it. Only humans are capable of that level of self-awareness, and the decisions we make are based on the kind of society we want to build.



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09 Jun 2014, 3:16 pm

TheGoggles wrote:
You seem to be implying that there is some kind of ethical/moral code that can be expressed as a scientific law, which is not the case. In fact, it's basically the opposite. Celestial bodies don't care one way or another what they slam into or how long they take to orbit a star. Lions don't consider the feelings of a gazelle before killing and eating it. Only humans are capable of that level of self-awareness, and the decisions we make are based on the kind of society we want to build.


A lion typically only kills what it needs to kill, and if you're not part of it's regular diet, it will usually warn you before attacking. A lion can't tell the difference between a photographer or an ape waiting for the right oportunity to kill and eat one of it's cubs.

Moreover, lions are capable of altruism, there are numerous examples of lion mothers risking their life to save their cubs, and they have a complex social order.


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09 Jun 2014, 4:59 pm

Kurgan wrote:
I don't know about organized atheism in the US, but in Norway, it can be divided into people who hate religion because it's "cool" to do so (typically high school dropouts with nothing going for them) and people with a superiority complex because of a 105 IQ, a membership in some kind of Marxist-Leninist party, and an associate degree in philosophy.


Do you listen to shock jocks often? It certainly appears so :wink:

Anyway, what the hell is organised atheism :? Please provide examples.



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09 Jun 2014, 6:22 pm

Kurgan wrote:
TheGoggles wrote:
You seem to be implying that there is some kind of ethical/moral code that can be expressed as a scientific law, which is not the case. In fact, it's basically the opposite. Celestial bodies don't care one way or another what they slam into or how long they take to orbit a star. Lions don't consider the feelings of a gazelle before killing and eating it. Only humans are capable of that level of self-awareness, and the decisions we make are based on the kind of society we want to build.


A lion typically only kills what it needs to kill, and if you're not part of it's regular diet, it will usually warn you before attacking. A lion can't tell the difference between a photographer or an ape waiting for the right oportunity to kill and eat one of it's cubs.

Moreover, lions are capable of altruism, there are numerous examples of lion mothers risking their life to save their cubs, and they have a complex social order.


A dominant male lion will kill all of the cubs that it wasn't responsible for making. They might have a pack structure, but its rules are entirely dedicated to promoting the reproduction of the strongest genetic line. Humans can choose to reject their biological imperatives, though they often end up following them without realizing it.



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09 Jun 2014, 6:22 pm

Stannis wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
I don't know about organized atheism in the US, but in Norway, it can be divided into people who hate religion because it's "cool" to do so (typically high school dropouts with nothing going for them) and people with a superiority complex because of a 105 IQ, a membership in some kind of Marxist-Leninist party, and an associate degree in philosophy.


Do you listen to shock jocks often? It certainly appears so :wink:

Anyway, what the hell is organised atheism :? Please provide examples.


Didn't know that they had shock jocks in Norway, or anywhere outside the USA.



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09 Jun 2014, 6:41 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Stannis wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
I don't know about organized atheism in the US, but in Norway, it can be divided into people who hate religion because it's "cool" to do so (typically high school dropouts with nothing going for them) and people with a superiority complex because of a 105 IQ, a membership in some kind of Marxist-Leninist party, and an associate degree in philosophy.


Do you listen to shock jocks often? It certainly appears so :wink:

Anyway, what the hell is organised atheism :? Please provide examples.


Didn't know that they had shock jocks in Norway, or anywhere outside the USA.


I don't know about Norway. They have them in Australia though. Alan Jones is probably the most well known. He's "good friends" with Australia's incumbent conservative (fascist) PM.

Alan Jones in action.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgm2zLO5N5M[/youtube]



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09 Jun 2014, 6:52 pm

Confused to why aforementioned forum exists. What's it for, do people really congregate to discuss their lack of belief?

Assume it's a honey-pot for easily baited Theists until proven otherwise.


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09 Jun 2014, 7:05 pm

I would just stay away from THAT PERSON.

Even on this site, one might run into unpleasant people--but the majority of people are at least decent. There's more than 80,000 people who have subscribed to this forum over the past ten years. I've only run into a couple of people who have been really unpleasant.

I try to make sure I don't argue with the unpleasant people. If I succeed, I'm doing fine. I don't have to split from the forum. Just ignore the schmucks is what I say.



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09 Jun 2014, 7:11 pm

Pobbles wrote:
Confused to why aforementioned forum exists. What's it for, do people really congregate to discuss their lack of belief?

Assume it's a honey-pot for easily baited Theists until proven otherwise.


Possibly they do so because anti-apologetics is fun. It's a great way to get acquainted with a lot of important philosophical questions. Plus, combatting dogma through sound argument is a great way to emancipate minds from sloppy thinking and societies from harmful theocratic leanings.



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09 Jun 2014, 9:54 pm

thinkinginpictures, you went on an athiest foum to argue for the existence of God? Bad idea ... that would be like going on an anti-abortion forum to argue for infanticide. Of course they will be hostile. The response you quoted was quite rude though. Frankly I wouldn't bother with the site.



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10 Jun 2014, 1:09 am

Ann2011 wrote:
thinkinginpictures, you went on an athiest foum to argue for the existence of God? Bad idea ... that would be like going on an anti-abortion forum to argue for infanticide. Of course they will be hostile. The response you quoted was quite rude though. Frankly I wouldn't bother with the site.


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