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05 Aug 2014, 12:25 am

Former Reagan press secretary, who had turned the tragedy of his near fatal shooting during the attempt on the President's life into a crusade for gun safety and accountability, has died at age 74. God speed, Jim.


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05 Aug 2014, 2:15 am

the 2nd half of his life was one tough row to hoe. he handled it with uncommon grit and more grace than many less afflicted people.



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05 Aug 2014, 2:52 am

A jerk.



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05 Aug 2014, 5:21 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Former Reagan press secretary, who had turned the tragedy of his near fatal shooting during the attempt on the President's life into a crusade for gun safety and accountability, has died at age 74.


Don't try and spin things, the organizations that bears his name couldn't care less about "gun safety", that's just their latest euphemism after it became clear that "gun control" was a political loser, and they proposed some pretty confiscatory gun control when they thought they had the upper hand in the early 90s.
I don't really bear the man any ill will, it's his wife who turned him into a symbol and capitalized upon his personal tragedy to push her own personal agenda, while he always seemed a decent enough guy.,


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05 Aug 2014, 9:04 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Former Reagan press secretary, who had turned the tragedy of his near fatal shooting during the attempt on the President's life into a crusade for gun safety and accountability, has died at age 74. God speed, Jim.

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Why don't you just come clean and admit that you're an anti instead of always tap dancing around it?


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05 Aug 2014, 11:29 am

Jim Brady had a great sense of humor. For example, he said, when life gives you lemons make lemonade, and I have a couple of stands around here.

And to President Reagan's credit, Jim kept the title of Press Secretary, and the subsequent people who filled this role always had the title of Acting Press Secretary.



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05 Aug 2014, 1:54 pm

So what's like to be able to own a gun ?? Is it fun to go to a shooting range for target practice??
I watched a video with R. Lee Ermy demonstrating the difference between an AK-47 and an M-16. He was having a good time ...


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05 Aug 2014, 2:13 pm

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Former Reagan press secretary, who had turned the tragedy of his near fatal shooting during the attempt on the President's life into a crusade for gun safety and accountability, has died at age 74. God speed, Jim.

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Why don't you just come clean and admit that you're an anti instead of always tap dancing around it?


Because I'm not antigun ownership; I just think if you're going to own a tool meant to take life, then you ought to jump through all the hoops necessary to demonstrate that you're qualified as a mentally stable, law abiding citizen. I fail to see how that makes me antigun.


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05 Aug 2014, 2:17 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Former Reagan press secretary, who had turned the tragedy of his near fatal shooting during the attempt on the President's life into a crusade for gun safety and accountability, has died at age 74.


Don't try and spin things, the organizations that bears his name couldn't care less about "gun safety", that's just their latest euphemism after it became clear that "gun control" was a political loser, and they proposed some pretty confiscatory gun control when they thought they had the upper hand in the early 90s.
I don't really bear the man any ill will, it's his wife who turned him into a symbol and capitalized upon his personal tragedy to push her own personal agenda, while he always seemed a decent enough guy.,


How do you know they care less about gun safety? Did they tell you this? Have you sneaked into their organizations, and heard them say, "We're still convincing the fools we're for gun safety, heh, heh, heh," or read anything by someone who has? Or is it just your opinion?


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05 Aug 2014, 4:04 pm

Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Former Reagan press secretary, who had turned the tragedy of his near fatal shooting during the attempt on the President's life into a crusade for gun safety and accountability, has died at age 74. God speed, Jim.

:roll:
Why don't you just come clean and admit that you're an anti instead of always tap dancing around it?


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Because I'm not antigun ownership;


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Kraichgauer wrote:
I just think if you're going to own a tool meant to take life, then you ought to jump through all the hoops necessary to demonstrate that you're qualified as a mentally stable, law abiding citizen.
So explain how these regulations you propose (or the lack of them) has affected what you're trying to protect us all from. What you propose is the traditional hallmark of the antigunner.

But to go further back, you seemed to think all a gun is good for is to go ?bang? which is further in contradiction to ?a tool meant to take life?.
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Well, making a gun go bang bang is all I can figure a gun is good for. As I'm not a gun aficionado, anything else escapes me.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf254668-0-105.html

If you?re going to insist on being so intellectually dishonest at least be consistent.


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05 Aug 2014, 8:59 pm

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How do you know they care less about gun safety? Did they tell you this? Have you sneaked into their organizations, and heard them say, "We're still convincing the fools we're for gun safety, heh, heh, heh," or read anything by someone who has? Or is it just your opinion?


Gun safety is the 4 rules, regular practice, muzzle discipline, teaching children proper gun handling, etc, none of which is promoted by the Brady bunch. I imagine that if any of these things were important to them, they'd have mentioned them at some point in their history...

Also, they're not convincing anyone, save for the low information morons who know nothing about guns and gun laws, as is amply demonstrated every time the topic comes up here.


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05 Aug 2014, 11:24 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
How do you know they care less about gun safety? Did they tell you this? Have you sneaked into their organizations, and heard them say, "We're still convincing the fools we're for gun safety, heh, heh, heh," or read anything by someone who has? Or is it just your opinion?


Gun safety is the 4 rules, regular practice, muzzle discipline, teaching children proper gun handling, etc, none of which is promoted by the Brady bunch. I imagine that if any of these things were important to them, they'd have mentioned them at some point in their history...

Also, they're not convincing anyone, save for the low information morons who know nothing about guns and gun laws, as is amply demonstrated every time the topic comes up here.


I concede I should have used another word other than "safety," other than the fact that the waiting period keeps people safe in general with the waiting period during which time one's background is checked out to discover if one's a criminal or homicidal lunatic.


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05 Aug 2014, 11:30 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Former Reagan press secretary, who had turned the tragedy of his near fatal shooting during the attempt on the President's life into a crusade for gun safety and accountability, has died at age 74. God speed, Jim.

:roll:
Why don't you just come clean and admit that you're an anti instead of always tap dancing around it?


This
Kraichgauer wrote:
Because I'm not antigun ownership;


Contradicts this
Kraichgauer wrote:
I just think if you're going to own a tool meant to take life, then you ought to jump through all the hoops necessary to demonstrate that you're qualified as a mentally stable, law abiding citizen.
So explain how these regulations you propose (or the lack of them) has affected what you're trying to protect us all from. What you propose is the traditional hallmark of the antigunner.

But to go further back, you seemed to think all a gun is good for is to go ?bang? which is further in contradiction to ?a tool meant to take life?.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Well, making a gun go bang bang is all I can figure a gun is good for. As I'm not a gun aficionado, anything else escapes me.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf254668-0-105.html

If you?re going to insist on being so intellectually dishonest at least be consistent.


It's not intellectually dishonest to say that I'm not antigun and still think the only use they have is to go "bang." What else are you going to use them for, a can opener?
And incidentally, I have absolutely no problem with people shooting for recreation, or owning one for home defense. But as guns are deadly weapons, it's not too much to ask those who purchase them go through the background checks to weed out criminals and the mentally ill.


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06 Aug 2014, 12:14 am

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I concede I should have used another word other than "safety," other than the fact that the waiting period keeps people safe in general with the waiting period during which time one's background is checked out to discover if one's a criminal or homicidal lunatic.


It's not just you, one of my longest running and largest problems with gun control groups is the way that they twist language to try and manipulate people into supporting their position, and re-branding themselves as "gun safety" advocates is just their latest sleight of tongue. "Assault weapons" that are seldom used to assault anyone, "cop killer" bullets that have never killed a single cop (no joke, not one), turning hunting rifles into "intermediate caliber sniper rifles", to say nothing of the way they cook their stats, these are not honest people, and you don't have to care about the gun issue one way or the other to see that.

Also, show me how waiting periods keep people safe, and by show me, I mean with evidence, not your personal opinion. I'll even show you my hand in advance; most murders are spontaneous, not premeditated, as in no one gets angry and makes a quick run to the gun store to buy an appropriate weapon before lashing out, they tend to do it with whatever is handy, hence our high rates of non-firearms violence. The guys who do think ahead? They buy months or years in advance, making the waiting period nothing more than a symbolic salve for those who feel the need to "do something", even if it's a pointless inconvenience that only hampers the law abiding.


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06 Aug 2014, 12:48 am

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I concede I should have used another word other than "safety," other than the fact that the waiting period keeps people safe in general with the waiting period during which time one's background is checked out to discover if one's a criminal or homicidal lunatic.


It's not just you, one of my longest running and largest problems with gun control groups is the way that they twist language to try and manipulate people into supporting their position, and re-branding themselves as "gun safety" advocates is just their latest sleight of tongue. "Assault weapons" that are seldom used to assault anyone, "cop killer" bullets that have never killed a single cop (no joke, not one), turning hunting rifles into "intermediate caliber sniper rifles", to say nothing of the way they cook their stats, these are not honest people, and you don't have to care about the gun issue one way or the other to see that.

Also, show me how waiting periods keep people safe, and by show me, I mean with evidence, not your personal opinion. I'll even show you my hand in advance; most murders are spontaneous, not premeditated, as in no one gets angry and makes a quick run to the gun store to buy an appropriate weapon before lashing out, they tend to do it with whatever is handy, hence our high rates of non-firearms violence. The guys who do think ahead? They buy months or years in advance, making the waiting period nothing more than a symbolic salve for those who feel the need to "do something", even if it's a pointless inconvenience that only hampers the law abiding.


How am I to demonstrate waiting periods have saved lives when the murders that might have happened never were able to take place? You want me to prove a negative.
As for murder being a spontaneous act - sure, I agree. That's why most people aren't comfortable with someone walking around packing. That's why in old west times, most towns had strict gun control, in which you surrendered your firearm to the bartender in the saloon you were drinking in, or you handed it over to the local law enforcement. That's why towns hired hard asses like Wyatt Earp or Wild Bill Hickok to enforce such laws.


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06 Aug 2014, 1:14 am

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How am I to demonstrate waiting periods have saved lives when the murders that might have happened never were able to take place? You want me to prove a negative.


You want to impose a stupid law on me that you can't even prove does anything? Why would I agree to something like that, especially given my much greater knowledge of firearms and firearms law? I should just take your word?

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As for murder being a spontaneous act - sure, I agree. That's why most people aren't comfortable with someone walking around packing. That's why in old west times, most towns had strict gun control, in which you surrendered your firearm to the bartender in the saloon you were drinking in, or you handed it over to the local law enforcement. That's why towns hired hard asses like Wyatt Earp or Wild Bill Hickok to enforce such laws.


And the old West was a notably peaceful time?

Here's the deal; licensed concealed carriers are more law abiding than the police, with the police being several times more likely to murder you, and the ratio only gets worse with lesser crimes. What possible objection could you have to people who are more lawful than law enforcement carrying weapons? Scratch that, what reasonable objection could you have? Concealed carry is now 50 state legal, and violent crime is at a historic low; recalibrate your opinion to fit the facts, or admit that you're just being stubborn at this point.


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