Why is sex crime so special?

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In the past, most of our behaviour was regulated by the requirements of a rigid class structure and the dictatorship of religion. The law was a means of ensuring the preservation of the status quo, and it was easily bypassed by the rich and powerful.

The class structure is now less rigid than previously, and the stranglehold of religion is become increasingly fragmented (the Islamic State is still fighting against the Crusades of 1000 years ago, and needs to grow up).

But the rich and powerful continue to pick and choose about which laws they should obey, and which laws can be usefully ignored.

This attitude stretches from a UK government minister passing on his speeding points to his wife in order to avoid a driving ban, through a systematic abuse by UK members of parliament of the parliamentary expenses system, the creation of sophisticated tax avoidance scams for anybody who can afford the hefty accountancy fees, to the unpunished near-destruction and selfish manipulation of the entire Western economy by its own banking system.

We are also discovering that numbers of rich and powerful people have been routinely engaged in systematic sexual abuse, and that their cronies have been systematically engaged in turning a blind eye, or actively covering their tracks.

Why have there been no investigations of 'historic' parliamentary expenses crime? How are the major banks continuing to stay in business and in some cases making massive profits despite being fined multi-billions of pounds for their criminal business practices?

Why is the pursuit of historical sex allegations apparently limited to a small number of wealthy show-business celebrities?

I am totally in sympathy with the suffering of women, but I don't always understand the difference between the suffering of women and the suffering of the rest of society.

Lots of us have been 'shafted' in one way or another, and we don't always recover. The recent high-profile victims of unproven sexual allegations will probably never recover, either financially or emotionally, from their court-room experiences.

Most crime is clearly wrong, and easily defined. But sex is a uniquely powerful driving force of the human race - it's irresistible, and it needs to be recognised as such. The process of civilisation is doomed if it depends upon the repression of the sexual urges of men and women.

There are many programmes on TV about the pleasures of eating and drinking, and also about the joys of buying a home and lavishing unlimited amounts of energy and money on making it look good. Most of those programmes depend to a large extent upon tempting visual images. But sex is no less essential than food and shelter. So why do we have to resort to pornography to find tempting images? Why, every time I log on to Yahoo to check my emails, is there another story about some female celebrity's 'wardrobe failure'?

Are you advocating for child molestation and rape ?

If you would like a discusiion about child molestation and rape, please start your own thread. Thanks

Then a lot of us should be long dead

The title of your thread is about "sex crime", and you appear to be arguing that sex crimes should not be crimes? If 'sex crime' does include the most obvious sex crimes of 'child molestation' and 'rape', then you are leaving the reader in the dark as to what it means.

When you start your own thread, why don't you start with a 'poll' as to whether or not my thread appears to suggest that 'sex crimes should not be crimes'? You can obviously write, but it's not clear that you can read...

Why are you so defensive? You state ...



The reader is given the impression that you believe sex crimes should not be crimes, because they repress sexual urges and lead to the doom of civilization.

Last edited by LoveNotHate on 24 Aug 2014, 5:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.

i don't think the problem is his reading comprehension, i think the problem is the vagueness of your OP. though i suspect if you were to explain your position more thoroughly we would all be disturbed and disgusted and wish you hadn't. so perhaps it's best to let this thread die. it's almost certainly headed for a lock anyway.

That is the clearest description I have ever read of a closed mind. But you prove my point - too many people find the prospect of open discussion about sex 'disturbing and disgusting' - that is why it takes place in the shadows, and so easily becomes perverted.

i have no problems talking about sex--it's the "pedophilia and rape are natural and shouldn't be crimes" talk that you seem to want to have that i find disturbing and disgusting. not everyone is either a prude or a perv--some of us actually have healthy relationships with our own sexuality. maybe someday you'll get there if you can ever put down the kiddie porn and get yourself some help.

What a bizarre thread. What exactly is your point if it isn't that rape shouldn't be considered a crime?

Please address such comments to 'Love Not Hate' - I have never said anything of the sort.

what other sex crimes are there, if those weren't the ones you were talking about? bestiality maybe, is that the one you think is due to "natural human urges" and shouldn't be considered a crime? or were you speaking of necrophilia? i'm running out of illegal -philias here.

I am with LNH here, this is what I got from the thread, essentially the rich and powerful get to pick and choose which laws they can break and which crimes they will allow the law enforcement authorities to investigate, then you specifically tie sexual abuse to essential urges and imply that we should have a greater tolerance of forced sexaul behaviour, that we should have a higher bar when it comes to sexual abuse, because it is far more subjective and natural than other crimes "Most crime is clearly wrong, and easily defined.But sex is a uniquely powerful driving force of the human race - it's irresistible, and it needs to be recognised as such. The process of civilisation is doomed if it depends upon the repression of the sexual urges of men and women.

Or not even born.

It's quotes such as these that I think are getting you the reactions you are getting.

"Sex is irresistible." So if one was to force themselves on another without that person's consent it would be okay because that person couldn't resist the urge to do so? I think you'll find that most people don't have that much trouble resisting...