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29 Aug 2014, 7:21 pm

With all this talk of racism , I was wondering if WP members felt immigration was fair to citizens ...

-In the US, according to Pew Research, Asians as a group are the highest earning and most educated [source 1]. They are also the largest immigrant group [source 2].

-I see this where I work, all the upper level supervisors in my work group are Asian, and 6 of 7 lower supervisors are Asian.

-We see this in the recent accusation by black activists like Jesse Jackson of "Silicon Valley racism" where Asians make up 34% of US employees at Google [source 3]. Despite being just 5% of the total US population (i.e., Asians are taking spots from potential black and Hispanic people)

- Asians dominate in academics so much that colleges make them score even higher than other races. In 2011, a Princeton study concluded that overall Asians face a 130 point penalty when applying to college compared to white people, and 450 point penalty compared to black candidates) [source 4]

- Looking at the better colleges/universities we can see that Asians make up 20-30% of the student body of these colleges across the country [see list of colleges and Asian enrollment source 5], again, despite being just 5% of the US population. However, in California where they don't use a racial quota system, Asians make up 30-50% of many of the better colleges. [source 6]

Asian people make up 14% of California people, yet make up ...
52 percent of students at UC Irvine are Asian
50 percent at UC San Diego are Asian
43 percent at UC Berkeley are Asian
40 percent at UCLA are Asian
30 percent of UC students are Asian

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We live in a competitive society, and just like the NBA is mostly black, won't most intellectual positions eventually become mostly Asian ? Is immigrating these "super-achievers" fair to citizens ?

sources:
1. http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/06/ ... americans/
2. http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/asianamericans-graphics/
3. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/05/2 ... 49175&_r=0
4. http://cornellsun.com/blog/2011/11/14/n ... eed-apply/
5. http://www.collegexpress.com/lists/list ... ents/2361/
6. http://www.smdailyjournal.com/articles/ ... 20981.html



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30 Aug 2014, 8:06 am

Are all those Asians at the university immigrants, or does it include exchange students and such? I remember seeing lots of "real" Asians at university in the Netherlands. "Real" in the sense that they came from abroad and were not Asian-Dutch. Most didn't speak Dutch but only English and their native language. And I easily believe they perform better than the locals because unlike the locals they didn't drink all night.
And giving Asians a penalty when they apply sounds really racist to me. No idea why stuff like that is still happening. It's really unfair if you're an Asian student and they refuse you and deliberately take someone who scores lower.



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30 Aug 2014, 10:04 am

If they came here "legally" (and we'll dismiss any debate about if granting excessive numbers of work visas when there are more than enough people here available to do the work), there's no foul.

EVERY MODERN NATION, restricts who can get in and go to work. They want the best, not the dregs, of society.

The problem is that the indigenous population can become lazy and not expect to compete for opportunity while the immigrant is willing to compete. They hold the advantage because of that.

You see in by watching the life-cycle of wealthy families that don't plan for perpetual wealth generation.

Generation 1 = raised in poverty, works to become wealthy
Generation 2 = raised as the wealth is created and enjoys a life of benefit but still appreciates what it took to earn the wealth
Generation 3 = raised knowing nothing but privilege and takes it for granted...will squander it away if they aren't taught how to be wealth creators
Generation 4 = born back into poverty because the family wealth was lost and nobody learned how to keep creating wealth