[UK] Douglas Carswell's UKIP defection

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Good news for us.

Are you UKIP supporter? What's the reason for your stance?

Farage has held some great speeches at the EU Parliament.

Don't be so negative. Have this.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGNoZfvRoA[/youtube]

Oh dear, not really an attempt at a serious argument. Just link to lazy hit-pieces.

I don't take Dan Hodges that seriously with his columns.

The Sked quotes sound very much like libel. Sked hasn't had anything to do with UKIP for the best part of 20 years, and it doesn't remotely sound like the thing that Farage would say.

The bigger parties are much more able to ignore or downplay their idiots. The major parties have people in them that are ex-neo Nazis, ex-BNP members, councillors that sexually abused children, councillors that set off bombs, and so on. Do we judge them by the activities of their nutters? No? So don't make an exception for UKIP.

I wasn't happy about the Janice Atkinson thing, but I also wasn't happy with the complainant's husband who made it very public and dragged it out for longer than than necessary.

Funny story: the secretary in my branch asked a prospective member that was starting to get aggressive and that sounded dubious that we're not racist and we don't accept racism and people with serious criminal convictions - he screams back: "that's no good to me - I'm very racist!" and slams the phone down).

It is a problem, having nutters associate themselves with us - but all we can do is purge them when they are pointed out to us (or they embarass themselves), We can't pre-emptively investigate every potential member, every friend on Facebook, everyone who votes for us.

The other side of this coin, of course, is that people are human. And humans often say things in real life which are racist, sexist or bigoted or at least offensive to some person or some group. We have to strike a balance between allowing people to speak their mind and them not bringing the party into disrepute.

So, if you want no more Down's syndrome people to come into the world - that's marvellous. Not whilst representing UKIP though.

I don't believe they're racist.

In fact, I'm having a hard time finding a clear distinction between the labour unions' arguments against so-called social dumping, and the rationale behind UKIP's immigration policies.

UKIP's policies aren't in question its the public scandals and antics which are getting them branded as racists. They know what theyre doing, this is obviously calculated. They may well not be anymore racist than the average rich white conglomeration of old Etonians but for some reason theyre not bothering to conceal it.

Their policies are perfectly reasonable

UKIP's support has quadrupled compared to the 2010 election, and they won the 2014 EU Parliament election. Number 10 will be theirs in 2020 if the trend continues.

I support UKIP on Europe, however I don't agree with many of their social policies.


I simply don't buy the these arguments. I'm a competitionist and broadly against protectionism. I do however take issue with those that seek to cause harm or destroy. I also think states that have been poor allies should not enjoy diplomatic relations. People should still apply to the immigration authorities.


Eventually immigration will be irrelevant in a lot of fields. It already is in my profession, which you can do anywhere in the world, and get clients from all over the world. Far from feeling threatened I take full advantage of both improving myself making use of the ability to subcontract jobs. It makes better at what I do, and also I couldn't stop it anyway.

"Undercutting" far from being a bad thing is actually a good thing. It makes native services better, and improves the market across the board.

Regarding culture, it is the responsibility of the people who have the culture to practice it. You can't blame other people for that without taking responsibility yourself.

Regarding benefits, economic immigration should not solicit welfare at all. It is purely for commerce. However by far the bigest group on benefit are born nationals.

Polish builders, and plumbers have been largely demonized. But has it stopped English Builders and Plumbers? Far from it. They have got better at what they do, and the less competitive ones that didn't step up have gone, which is not a bad thing.