Ahmadiyya

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What do you think of the Ahmadiyya?

The first purpose build Mosque in the London was Ahmadiyya.

I remember during a general election the Ahmadi community were having a public meeting and there was a Ahmadi candidate standing. The meeting was storm by other Muslims and they basically didn't let them continue.

I view the founder of the Ahmadi sect as a bit like I view "Jesus".

As in a mere mortal, who was deliberately subverting religion and culture to make it suck less. Too bad it didn't really work.

On the other hand, he was a bit fanatical in the classical sense (not in the violent sense), so maybe that premise is wrong. He was probably a true believer.

But no doubt this version of Islam is more palatable.

But then almost anything is an improvement, Druze, Baha'i, etc.

Can't say I've ever heard of him. From an architectural point of view I like the look of that "egg" mosque in London, though I despise what it represents... infiltration of yet another religion into the country when I'd sooner see no new mosques, churches or any other religious buildings.

Yes but it is a product of a the Raj, in this case.

Whilst I woudl agree with you, I think practically speaking an effective way to deal with religions extremism is to provide a better alternative as some aren't ready to give up organized religion.

Are there any practical alternatives to the stark choice between organised religion and atheism? I'm concerned at the number of radicalised Muslims in the UK and general lack of response from mainstream Muslims to denounce radicalism or to halt it. This gives the general impression that mainstream Muslims quietly support radicalism but are too wary to say so.

Yes but Ahmadiyya is an actual reform movement that actually rejects violent jihad.

Mainstream Islam isn't a reform movement, they still go to the same mosques. Sure they may be moderate, but hey also appease.

So, based on the comments in your opening post, it sounds like Muslims in general are against reforms.

In effect yes, becuase although they may practice have a reformed lifestyle, they won't acknowledge it as so, also still continue to appease the unreformed doctrine.

Of course this also happens in Christianity and Judaism. However their reform movements have impacted further. So I think there is good reason to support genuine reform movements in Islam.

Although conservative by most Western standards, the Ahmadiyya nonetheless distance themselves from the Hadith based on the teachings of their founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. This is a vast improvement from the perspective of human rights, as some of the most intolerant and violent aspects of Islam originate from the Hadith.

However, the Ahmadiyya are severely persecuted in several Islamic-majority countries, and are considered to be apostates worthy of death by some Muslims.

The reason why the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has its headquarters in the UK is because of widespread persecution in their original country of Pakistan.

And the tombstone of Abdus Salam, who was awarded the 1979 Nobel prize in Physics, has the "Muslim" part striked out, because he was Ahmadiyya and Pakistan does not recognize Ahmadiyya Muslims as Muslims.

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ahmadis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_Anti-Ahmadiyya_riots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinance_XX
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdus_Salam#Death

Ancient Jews vs early Jesus and his followers scenario.

Druze are the same, originally considered as reform of Islam.

I'm not 100% sure what you are saying but I think we basically agree. Early Christianity vastly different from modern Christianity (but still nothing to do with Islam's, invalidation of Christianity by virtue of passing it of as tainted doctrine which was originally supposedly like Islam).

Druze are basically some Islam with some Greek philosophy, also they are two castes the ordinary people an the learned. Only the learned really get to know all the esoteric beliefs of the faith.

Druze have a strong policy of assimilation, as a survival strategy. They may will form political alliances, and switch side where it is convenient (Lebanon is a good example). it is why Israeli Druze fight for the IDF, and consider themselves non-Arab.