Videos that may give some Westerns a pause....

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This started with a chat conversation with an American yesterday, we were talking about ISIS (IS) and radicals, and she was like why Arabs would worry about ISIS as "Arabs and ISIS are the same" - then she readjusted her statement to "At least the Gulf Arabs"; I replied her that ISIS is the threat #1 for the Arab identities/cultures and all the other diversity of cultures here; ISIS do not care at all about the Arab identity (or any other identity; hence why they've burned their passports),

I recall also posters lumping all Arab/Middle-Eastern countries as if they are all Saudi Arabia socially, (and even Saudi Arabia isn't equally strict in all cities, Jeddah are way less strict than Riyadh for instance - but it is still the most radical Arab country overall); I see it's unfair for the Gulf Arab states to be equated to ISIS.

Anyway this lady couldn't understand what I was saying (her mind is equating ISIS to Gulf Arabs) until showing her some videos similar to the below.

Look, I am not saying that Gulf Arab countries are liberal, tolerant or egalitarian (far from that) and the radicals of them might be backers for ISIS, but ever seen those? Wouldn't it give you a pause of rethinking for the some of you?


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRd_jqGJ4H4[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StizZ4WCn6c[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxLnN08InrU[/youtube]

There are tons of such videos, those are called "Jalsat" or "Jalsat khalijiya" (sessions of Gulf songs) and it's a very customary and common in the Gulf States, often on Thursday nights.

If ISIS were present there, every man in these rooms would beheaded, every instrument would be burned and every woman would be taken as slave.

^ Thanks, I understand now. So the billion dollar question: How to stop them? Or is that even possible?

This is a funny video where Palestinians spoof ISIS:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5nigZzgf4Y[/youtube]

^ meh, they ruined it with the conspiracy theory at the end.

Both of you are correct they are the number 1 threat, but also their success always finding some local support too. The idea that is all outsiders really doesn't add up, there is local support and that is a big factor (it also laughable this idea that is comes from all ex-Ba'athist it come from Sunni tribes, Baathism has little to do with it in reality, baathism is a brutal yet secular movement, ISIS isa brutal but very much religiously driven movement, their relationship in reality was fleeting.)

I understand fully that is not what you stand for but you can't deny that ISIS is able to appeal to some of the Sunnis. You aren't Sunni, you are also clearly middle class, and educated, you come come country with vulnerable, but nevertheless sort of balance of power across multiple groups.

Also many Gulf states, really have let everyone down, they don't really deserve much sympathy. Even those that didn't fund them directly they did contribute to heir growth. King Abdullah of SA recently made a very patronizing speech about the threat of ISIS, considering he is a large part responsible for their growth this really beggars belief. Not so long ago, he was going on about arming various groups. He is clearly very sectarian.

I think people are really getting a be fed up of the Western this and Western that. Part of the problem is not only the sectarian issue, but the constant appeal to western power about how x group is hard done by. FFS take these group need to take some responsibility themselves. They both blame the west and expect them to mediate issues.

I'm sorry is but the gulf state really are poor allies. Maybe you can't lump all of them together but certainly SA, Qatar and perhaps most surprisingly Kuwait we know for sure they have been involved in ISIS success. People are rightly angry about this.

Considering that many lost their lives to defend Kuwait, it really is massive f**k you.

Why did the Iraqi army just abandon all their equipment in that Sunni region, without a fight????

Even with relatively small number of fighter, there was some Sunni population in that particular region that was pretty fickle, they actively invited them in in order to spite the Shia. So in other word they shot themselves in the foot in order to stick it to the government. It is also not something that hasn't happened before either with various factions. The only thing new is it ISIS this time round.

The Kurds by virtue of being quite different and not being Arab are unlikely to support ISIS. However there has been in the past some small Kurdish Islamist group. However they haven't had much footprint, this is becuase fe Kurd woudl support them.

Kurd overall have led a fairly secular region for some time. This tell you the culture an attitude make a huge differnce.

ISIS formed from Al Qaeda in Iraq, it cannot be denied that, the was Iraqi support as well as insergents, and this was before all the funding.