Barack Obama visits UK, interferes in UK Brexit debate

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23 Apr 2016, 11:39 am

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Now Obama warns Brits 'not to pull back from world' & 'be optimistic' after Brexit threat
  • PRESIDENT Obama warned Britons "not to pull back from the rest of the world" today just hours after being condemned for threatening Britain over Brexit.

The President speaking at a Q &A session with young people reitereated his message on Brexit and told them to "reject cynicism."

He urged young people to reject cynics telling them they cannot change the world as he held a town hall-style meeting in London.

The president insisted now was the best time in human history to be alive as he urged the audience to ignore cynical voices saying that nothing could change.


How about you knob off, Barry?

We didn't ask for your position on our foreign policy.

Why don't you get on with cuddling up to the Iranian mullahs and leave us to decide their own future?

There's a good chap.



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23 Apr 2016, 12:21 pm

I agree with you on Brexit.

He is asking us to accept something his countrymen would never accept.

I don't agree with you on Iran.

It is beyond stupid to not want to do something about Iranian relations, given it is our fault for orchestrating the military coup that resulted in the ayatollahs (not mullahs).

Why would we favour SA and not Iran. We need more balance.

If Barry's legacy is improving relations with Cuba and Iran, then that would be an achievement.



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23 Apr 2016, 12:57 pm

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It is beyond stupid to not want to do something about Iranian relations, given it is our fault for orchestrating the military coup that resulted in the ayatollahs (not mullahs).


You know what I meant.

Personally, I would like to see a world without the Iranian ayatollahs. It seems most of the Iranian population is sensible too, and is as freedom loving as the rest of us secularists.



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23 Apr 2016, 1:07 pm

The politics in Iran is complex, and that is a good thing becuase there is more chance of doing something.

There are various power structure some quite a bit more liberal.

The politics in SA is simple they Royal family has a symbiotic relationship with the Wahhabi leaders. It must please them to retain power. This has been the case since they seised power from the Rashids.

I often wonder if it would have been better in Laurence of Arabia hadn't convinced us to support these guys.

The Ottoman empire was in decline anyway.



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23 Apr 2016, 6:30 pm

the globalist puppet won't even be president thankfully



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23 Apr 2016, 6:45 pm

Irony of the day: The son of an anti-colonialist Kenyan official, now president of a former British colony that won its independence through armed revolution, is lecturing England that it should not declare independence from Europe. :lol:


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24 Apr 2016, 10:46 am

Darmok wrote:
Irony of the day: The son of an anti-colonialist Kenyan official, now president of a former British colony that won its independence through armed revolution, is lecturing England that it should not declare independence from Europe. :lol:


WOw the hypocrisy of thses people knows no bounds... :roll:



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24 Apr 2016, 11:06 am

What is really ironic is how many people who are not political leaders are telling one political leader that he should not be telling other politicical leaders what to do.

It's like a roomful of people telling each other to shut up ... :roll:


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24 Apr 2016, 12:08 pm

Fnord wrote:
What is really ironic is how many people who are not political leaders are telling one political leader that he should not be telling other politicical leaders what to do.


First political leaders are telling him not to do that, secondly he addressed the British public (specifically youngsters) not politicians.

It is a diplomatic no-no to try an influence the public vote of another country, especially fly over there to do this as a campaigner.

No he didn't come because of the Queen's birthday. He came becuase Cameron asked him to.

Please get your facts straight.



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24 Apr 2016, 12:09 pm

These days everyone feels free to guide/advise. Recently the Pope was in Mexico telling citizens there to move to a better life in the U.S.A.. Doesn't that just knock the frosting off your cake? Especially now that the Vatican is only up to taking in about 2 dozen refugee families; and this with their untold billions in (at least the U.S.) of untaxable fortune to play with.

And to be fair, I've also read comments by the British P.M. suggesting we follow his suggestions on any number of occasions.

I, personally, think G.B. did just fine without leaning on the rest of Europe. I'm just sorry so many foreign visitors to your country seem more of the "Blow it Up" or "We'll gas your subways" variety instead of the "I'll take all of your lower paying jobs for less money" (...and then try to force you to pay us $15.00/hourly) illegal immigrants as we have here.



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24 Apr 2016, 12:13 pm

I'm in favour of brexit but not becuase of immigration.

It isn't about borders it is about sovereignty and 900 years of legal development.



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25 Apr 2016, 5:25 am

Fnord wrote:
What is really ironic is how many people who are not political leaders are telling one political leader that he should not be telling other politicical leaders what to do.

It's like a roomful of people telling each other to shut up ... :roll:


Would Americans appreciate British politicians coming over to the U.S. and telling people how to vote on a particular issue? Say, over gay marriage or something like that? Most of us understand that it's not really our business how you vote.

It's a little bit like 2004's Operation Clark County, when a British far-left rag called The Guardian tried to get its readers to tell people in the Ohio county how to vote. The Ohio people didn't take kindly to this, and ended up voting the opposite way to how the people that wrote in told them to.

The French Front National leader Marine Le Pen is apparently coming to Britain to campaign for Brexit. Although I believe in free speech (and that I wouldn't stop her coming, since she isn't inciting violence), I'd rather that she didn't come, as I believe that her presence will damage our side.



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25 Apr 2016, 7:55 am

I've been paying attention to the whole Brexit debate, what Obama did over there was wholly inappropriate and it is absolutely right that the UK's Prime Minister would never even be given that public of a forum in America to express something like that and that the people of the United States would never willing enter a political union with its neighbors that takes away our sovereignty and overrules our constitution so it is hypocritical for the president to lecture you folks but as I said he is just globalist puppet so it should be expected.

Does anybody in the UK think they would really be "at the back of the queue" in terms of getting a trade deal negotiated with America? Boris Johnson brought up the great point that the only reason that the UK and US don't already have a 'free trade agreement' is because the US would have to negotiate one with the whole the EU because otherwise they probably would of signed some agreement 20 years ago. Donald Trump is easily wined and dined, he loves Scotland where his mother is from and where he owns a few great properties, I think the UK if it were to leave the EU and if Europe was being scornful or crumbling then it is lucky enough to be able to turn its attention across the Atlantic to the US plus Canada and the rest of the Commonwealth. It's just nonsense and this 'special relationship' isn't between our governments but rather thru our shared history, culture, and war.

Trade with the UK isn't the issue as far as trade goes in the US, I can't imagine you guys are stealing too many jobs from our country as I imagine the UK has greater worker protections and probably higher pay than US so it maybe you guys have more concerns. The problem with our trade is our trade with these slave pen countries like China or Mexico or Vietnam or wherever that American workers should never have to compete with in some perverted race to the bottom. Look up the working conditions that these people in China work in for companies like Foxconn where so much of our electronic crap is made.

I read that Marine Le Pen's trip to the UK was more just for French media consumption as she does not speak English well by the way, the implications of this vote are huge inside and outside the UK because if they leave then the French may leave and then the Dutch may leave and then I think the whole thing falls apart. It really is inevitable, they cannot possibly hope to be able to hold this institution together in perpetuity, eventually somebody will vote for a candidate and vote for a referendum that will take it all down. Once the first domino goes then the rest will follow, these seams are ready to burst.

I think the UK will be better off and be more influential being able to act on her own free of the authority and problems of the EU. It was a failed experiment, time to move on instead of going down with the ship.



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25 Apr 2016, 11:24 am

Tequila wrote:

Would Americans appreciate British politicians coming over to the U.S. and telling people how to vote on a particular issue? Say, over gay marriage or something like that? Most of us understand that it's not really our business how you vote.


Mean like how you all and your politicians are always telling us we should ban guns and how uncivilized we are?
Yeah no we don't like it. But I thought most people in uk love Obama?



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25 Apr 2016, 11:42 am

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Mean like how you all and your politicians are always telling us we should ban guns and how uncivilized we are?


Sort of, yes. Personally, I don't think it's any of our business if you like your guns. I think we could do to relax the gun laws a little bit here. They're too strict. I'm not suggesting we go down the route of Switzerland or anything, only that capable people should be able to have guns. Also, I support some people being allowed to have guns for personal protection, like in Ulster.

But I would have a major problem if the Prime Minister went to the U.S. to lobby your people to tighten your gun laws. It's none of our business.



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25 Apr 2016, 12:30 pm

sly279 wrote:
Mean like how you all and your politicians are always telling us we should ban guns and how uncivilized we are?
Yeah no we don't like it. But I thought most people in uk love Obama?


I have not heard of a serving UK MP going over to US to back a campaign and telling US voters how to vote.