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04 Oct 2006, 7:33 pm

They say the universe is forever expanding, our world is less than a grain of sand to the earth in the universe. Is it possible that every atom is in itself a smaller universe, and equally we're an atom on some larger being or thing? That it goes infinately in both directions, this is my theory. Also, it could only make since that there would be life on other worlds, or in other universes. I doubt we're (earthlings) the only life that exists, is it also possible that somewhere maybe a perfect world exists? I find these all to be interesting questions that perhaps we'll never have an answer to.



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04 Oct 2006, 7:39 pm

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They say the universe is forever expanding, our world is less than a grain of sand to the earth in the universe. Is it possible that every atom is in itself a smaller universe, and equally we're an atom on some larger being or thing? That it goes infinately in both directions, this is my theory. Also, it could only make since that there would be life on other worlds, or in other universes. I doubt we're (earthlings) the only life that exists, is it also possible that somewhere maybe a perfect world exists? I find these all to be interesting questions that perhaps we'll never have an answer to.


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04 Oct 2006, 7:49 pm

One theory the Universe will stop expanding at some point and all matter will fly apart
into energy all at an equal distrubution across the universe (completely dead forever).

Or maybe according to string theory it might start again with another big bang.

Well its consider impossible to see or even detect strings so a universe in an atom will never be seen. The funny thing is all matter is mostly empty space. As far as we know
from atomic theory. So it in the range of possible that maybe something exsist on a
sub-string level.

Yeah the universe is so big there is other intelligent life, but evolution is a nasty process
and the odds are they are not as perfect worlds as you think.



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04 Oct 2006, 7:52 pm

As Eric Idle so nearly put it, pray there's some intelligent life in space, cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.


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04 Oct 2006, 10:43 pm

Yeah I kinda feel ya there man, about alien world's are mostly no better than our world, but then again we have no idea how different atmospheres and conditions could breed life differently... Bare in mind we adopted to our atmosphere over something like thousands of years on our way through evolution. Who's to say someone else on aother world might have adopted to a completely different atmosphere, one we could not survive in, and maybe he could not survive in our atmosphere... Also life on another world may have completely different needs than we do, theyr world could be so different it would completely blow our minds.
And who knows, they might not even be in humanoid form... They might look more like a land squid or something, that can grab things with it's tentacles, or it could be something with no limbs but utilizing telekenetic and telepathic abilities. And, maybe evolution could have evolved better under different circumstances?
The bottom line is we know nothing, one way or the other. One can only imagine there must be intelligent life out there somewhere beyond our world. But we will likely never know where any of those places are, or be able to reach them, and if we do it won't be in any of our lifetimes.



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04 Oct 2006, 11:02 pm

Eh, it is possible but hardly matters. If the number of worlds is infinite then the possibilities are infinite and therefore all possible paths must exist. However, this does not affect real life, and it is also likely to not be true as there is nothing to suggest that it is true. If it were true though, one would have to wonder about macro-radiation and its effects as well as other physical forces, as I would think that the forces in the greater universe would affect out own version.



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04 Oct 2006, 11:37 pm

This I can say... Dolphins are equally if not possible more intelligent than humans, I have seen the diagrams of the developement of a dolphin's brain next to that of a man's. They even communicate telepathically (we call this sonar). Theyr also known for having an ability to heal sick children. They live in the water..... For all we know they could evolve into our heirs after humanity dies off many years from now. Either they'd evolve onto land or they'd grow gills if this were to happen.



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05 Oct 2006, 1:54 am

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What does that mean? And three dots "..." ?

When I was younger and had poorer social skills people used to do that all the time on AIM and I thought it was just to fill space! I would put dots for just no good reason, to try and copy them!

I don't know exactly what it means still but lately I have narrowed it down to a vague concept close to "you annoying moron." (No offense to the person who posted about the theory of fractal universes...that stuff is interesting and here's a question for you ..what if there was a quantum computer so advanced that it could model the universe...what is the universe, then, the computer or the universe it is modeling? but as I have found it takes a mathematical proof or some kind of substantive research data before such theories can be taken "seriously"...)



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05 Oct 2006, 2:15 am

snake321 wrote:
They say the universe is forever expanding, our world is less than a grain of sand to the earth in the universe. Is it possible that every atom is in itself a smaller universe, and equally we're an atom on some larger being or thing? That it goes infinately in both directions, this is my theory...


Sorry to disapoint you, but no.

I forget the exact proof, but I understand physics can prove this wrong.


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05 Oct 2006, 4:57 am

The mass of the universe would be infinite, and it would therefore collapse. But as there are repulsive powers that keep the particles from another, I'm not 100% sure that that really is proven to be true...


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05 Oct 2006, 11:57 am

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[ (No offense to the person who posted about the theory of fractal universes...that stuff is interesting and here's a question for you ..what if there was a quantum computer so advanced that it could model the universe...what is the universe, then, the computer or the universe it is modeling? but as I have found it takes a mathematical proof or some kind of substantive research data before such theories can be taken "seriously"...)


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05 Oct 2006, 3:06 pm

Litigious wrote:
The mass of the universe would be infinite, and it would therefore collapse. But as there are repulsive powers that keep the particles from another, I'm not 100% sure that that really is proven to be true...


I'm nowhere near sure if this is correct but if the universes mass is infinite does it really matter as long as there is no gravity field that encompasses all the mass?



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05 Oct 2006, 6:18 pm

Given an infinite mass, the gravity field (as far as I understand it) must encompass all the mass. Anywhere where it's mass, it's also a field of gravity.


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05 Oct 2006, 10:52 pm

Well that was one of the reason i thought God may exsist as a kid because of the
infinite nature of space.

But science tend to say the universe is finite. Maybe our 4-D minds can not understand
why. Its like a cheezy video game Asteroids (which since Litigious is about my same age
will heard of) you move too far on one side of the screen and you come out on the other side.



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06 Oct 2006, 4:57 am

Universe is probably finite in the sense that its mass is limited. And what scientists believe nowadays is, that if you travel through it in what looks like a straight line, you will come back to the starting point at the end, due to its 4-D shape.

On the other hand there still might be what's called infinite regression. There can, just as snake321 states, be smaller universes "below" and greater universes "above". There can be an infinite number of universes, where every elementary particle in our universe is a universe in itself and our universe is just an elementary particle in a greater universe, and the universes can still have each their own finite mass. I find that a very beautiful thought.


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06 Oct 2006, 5:23 am

Yeah they theorize in string theory if gravity is such a weak force here it must have a bigger impact on other dimentions/universe. Like if you drop an apple on the ground it
might destroy a city or a mountain in another dimention/universe. And even crazier
is wtf the other dimentions would be like. No not like our world. Insanely differnent.
In other words you dropping that apple would not destroy a 3-d object in another
dimention/universe it might do something we can not even begin to understand but
some intelligent life has to deal with in that place.

I think the cool part is one way or another its going to all end or start over. And if it
start over than its done so infinite time. And why is there anything? Wait now I'm getting
back to why I beleved in God as a kid. How can something come from nothing?