Brainstorming session needed. Posatives to Putin's arrogance

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08 Nov 2014, 1:02 am

Hey guys. Putting the theory to the test that every negative has a corresponding positive, I was wondering about the maximum good and advantage ( for the West ) that can come out of Russia's aggressive foreign policy?

BTW all ideas are equally worthy.

All comments and suggestions requested.



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08 Nov 2014, 1:05 am

That's easy, it curbs our own aggressive foreign policy. We would be knee deep in Syria right now if wasn't for Russia, Edward Snowden would be facing life imprisonment and possible execution in the US for his whistleblowing, the US would probably be even more gung ho in dealing with Iran.



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08 Nov 2014, 3:24 am

Mmm, that's pretty good.
How about an impetus to fast track the Ukraine into the EU?



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08 Nov 2014, 6:56 am

ripped wrote:
Mmm, that's pretty good.
How about an impetus to fast track the Ukraine into the EU?


I believe it will have the opposite effect. A country that is in a civil war and has a completely wrecked economy won't be able to join at all, they'll never meet the standards. And that's probably a good thing according to most EU citizens. The citizens of Western EU countries are already complaining about Poles and other Central/East Europeans being allowed to work in their countries. Poorer countries also contribute less to the EU budget. I personally don't really care, but I think the overwhelming majority of people are opposed to Ukraine joining the EU (or any other poorer countries).
Also, the promise to give Ukraine a quick entry into the EU was an empty one. Even before this all started they would never qualify. If anything, the trouble the Russians stirred up over there will make it extremely unlike in my opinion that Ukraine would join the EU or NATO. I think the EU and other Western politicians messed this one up. The sanctions are also hurting our economy quite a lot, the only advantage this has is that fruit and vegetables are now extremely cheap here (but that's just hurting the farmers).



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08 Nov 2014, 8:22 am

There aren't any real positives.

I also fail to see how curbing aggressive foreign policy of of one country is bettered by aggressive foreign policies of another country. Both Russia and China are now perusing more cynical and aggressive foreign policies.

Besides it is not good for Russia and the Russian people either. Russia could end up like North Korea, having to perpetually justify itself by being a warlike state, then blackmailing aid off of other nations.

Your theory is a bit simplistic. There will always be people who benefit from bad things, but that doesn't make things overall good.

The problem in Russia is the never really developed to a point were the populous was used to campaigns on actual issues. There isn't that much freedom of information on performance in government. That is why they tend to focus on vague thing like the 'strength' of a leader, becuase they have little else to go on. They have no idea how much Putin has creamed off the Russian, people. If they realized it was around 70 billion, I'm sure the would be more decent.

Putin isn't a nationalist, he uses nationalism as a smokescreen to stay in power.



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08 Nov 2014, 10:59 pm

Pre capita income is rising, and they have a world class defense and nuke offense. They do not have an army to fight a major land war.

Barry went after a bear with a pointed stick, Europe got poked in the eye.

Europe is paying Ukaraine's gas bill, because they have to, to get their own.

Transnitsia and Novorussia are frozen conflicts that will keep them out of NATO, and the EU does not need an invasion of low skilled workers.

Syria has sent millions into Turkey, and intends to leave them there. Same for Jordan.

US backed Freedom Fighter Nazis in Ukraine are threatening to overthrow the US puppet government,

US backed Syrian rebels took over Iraq.

The BRICs are turning away from the Petro Dollar, and chosing gold for reserves.

We use sanctions to destroy the Ruble, but there are huge holdings of US Bonds, that if sold for 99% of face value would crush the dollar.

The gold and blood spent to control oil becomes worthless when Russia suplies China with oil and gas. A dip in world demand leads to excess production, falling prices, which is a disaster for some, and a boon to many.

Putin gave the European people lower food prices. Putin gave other countries new food markets.

A lame duck "Community Organizer," from Chicago tried to bluff a Master chess player and Judo Expert, and dictate to the Middle Kingdom. This will not turn out well.

Barry will go down in history as the "Homosexual Rights" President who lost the world.



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08 Nov 2014, 11:43 pm

Not bad, not bad. And how about some positives? Anyone?



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09 Nov 2014, 8:51 am

The US will learn that 5% of the world population cannot tell the other 95% what to do.

Do not hold your breath waiting.



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09 Nov 2014, 5:23 pm

Russia is just acting in it's own interest and in a similar way the USA has done for decades. But because it's Russia it's more problematic.
Plus, having Russia doing what does, assuming it's power the way it does and doing what it wants, maintains a certain balance to world and has the advantage of not letting only one country or a certain part of the world (USA, European Union) having all the power in their own hands, because there is nothing more dangerous than absolute power in the hands of only one person, or country.


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09 Nov 2014, 8:43 pm

Inventor wrote:
The US will learn that 5% of the world population cannot tell the other 95% what to do.

Do not hold your breath waiting.


And this will most likely be a very painful thing when that time comes about.


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