"Salvation" just another way of saying "I am liberated?"

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11 Mar 2015, 2:11 pm

In my spiritual studies I work with this idea of liberating oneself mentally. It occurred to me, perhaps, this idea of salvation could have possibly originally meant liberation from mentalities that limit or confine one's joy. So, if I find something is causing me psychological pain, freeing myself from that is a form of salvation.



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11 Mar 2015, 10:56 pm

don't know what else it could have meant.


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12 Mar 2015, 1:26 am

Kiprobalhato wrote:
don't know what else it could have meant.

Sometimes, it is thought of as being allowed to go to heaven and spending an eternity there rather than being condemned to hell. When you are allowed into heaven, you have found salvation and that could be one way of looking at it. I would like to broaden it into this life rather than something people attain only after they die and then it is given by God.



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12 Mar 2015, 3:43 am

"Freedom's just another word for 'nothin' left to lose'".



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12 Mar 2015, 3:49 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
In my spiritual studies I work with this idea of liberating oneself mentally. It occurred to me, perhaps, this idea of salvation could have possibly originally meant liberation from mentalities that limit or confine one's joy. So, if I find something is causing me psychological pain, freeing myself from that is a form of salvation.


you are describing Buddhism.



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12 Mar 2015, 1:12 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
In my spiritual studies I work with this idea of liberating oneself mentally. It occurred to me, perhaps, this idea of salvation could have possibly originally meant liberation from mentalities that limit or confine one's joy. So, if I find something is causing me psychological pain, freeing myself from that is a form of salvation.


You say this as if your a third party trying to believe that religion, as a whole, is good for humanity. Where your wrong in that is that you used the word salvation like a Christian.

I'll go on the assumption that you are a follower in Christ.

What you need to understand about religion in general (except Buddhism which doesn't do this apparently), there is difference between the two factors I have locked in my mind and one you have stated just beforehand. Yes, it liberates the mind. But the main focus of religion is to liberate the soul. I'm not saying you're wrong in any way, just there was some misinformation going on. The soul is everything that powers your mind, not a whim or thought you think up with your mind. The soul guides you to make that command... your mind just issues the command to the brain. We think with our minds, but our souls keep the information of our emotions and how we feel about a situation; because we just feel it's necessary to do a certain thing at one time in your life.



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13 Mar 2015, 11:41 am

While the original gnostic teachings pointing toward a man currently described as Jesus focused on a now of Heaven NOW, with GOD as Nature, Roman Emperor Constantine and fellow early Roman Catholic Leader Cohorts changed a mystic way of looking at NOW through the power of the full 'QUANTUM' mind unleashed in mind and body balance, to a similar myth of the Roman Cult associated with Mithra, making Jesus into a soldier GOD so Emperor Constantine could transform himself into the associated SUN GOD, erecting a monolithic statue to commemorate himself as this SUN GOD, in human form.

Then, various myths are added in, about a promise of an afterlife of heaven rather than the heaven of now, the so-called real Jesus talked about in the censored out gnostic gospels that would have given the power back to the individual rather than the 'state', per brick and mortar churches and political interests.


And seriously, when one hears about all this 'Illuminati' stuff, and 'free masonary' stuff THAT is what this country is founded on per the individual's rights to empower themselves rather than the proverbial sheep being led off to the slaughter house of human oppression, repression, and subjugation of human relative free will THROUGH illusory fears; particularly over reproductive freedom, and a way to generate material goods for those folks who are making a living controlling others in churches and politics.



The movie, the 'Book of Eli', points out this metaphor well, as a new culture expanding in a post-apocalyptic world, with the leadership of a psychopathic leaning man, not unlike Emperor Constantine, who wants to twist the meanings of 'the book' around, to control people, instead of empowering individual strengths and freedoms.



Since we have separation OF POLITICS and church, these issues are so volatile that symbolism with veiled metaphors in the ART of Pop-Culture are used to frigging basically get a similar philosophy of the REAL SO-CALLED JESUS IN THE GNOSTIC GOSPELS OUT TO THE 'SHEEP' OF THE CONGREGATIONS OF CONTROLLING FUNDAMENTALIST churches AND ASSOCIATED POLITICS, so they can make the decision for a path toward greater empowering of their individual human freedoms, AKA HUMAN Awakening or Enlightenment, rather than cowing down like a defeated animal to the will of an alpha animal under the chains and boundaries of the general rules of these churches and associated politics that house the older myths of religion.

IF one can look at this LIKE NATURE, ANIMALS IN THE WILD ASSERT THEIR INDEPENDENCE AND STRENGTHS WITHOUT illusions of cultural control that limit those strengths, including relative free will in the case of humans, and associated reproductive freedoms.

The best way to control any animal is to repress the expression of the innate instinctual traits in behavioral forms that comes in.

And that is precisely what controlling churches AND POLITICS, setting artificial rules of morality and ethics do.

God is free and human is evolved to be free.

ONLY HUMANS ARE SO-CALLED 'SMART' ENOUGH TO MAKE SLAVES OUT OF OTHER HUMANS, and that metaphor for slavery comes wherever and whenever human nature is repressed, oppressed, and subjugated from what THE strengths of HUMAN NATURE CAN BE IF FULLY EXPRESSED.

BUT we live in a world where people live in a mentality of pay check to pay check, truly potentially never even having time to find out innately instinctually AND intuitively who or what THEY EVEN ARE AS HUMAN ANIMALS.

AND THAT REAL LIFE ZOO AND PRISON FOR HUMANS IS WORTH A TEAR or two, too, FOR THOSE FOLKS LIKE ME, WHO HAVE TOTALLY ESCAPED THAT ILLUSION, AND LIVE LIFE FREE LIKE A LION OR TIGER ON THE SAVANNAH.

'BORN FREE', FRIGGING APPLIES TO HUMANS TOO BUT MOST FOLKS DON'T REALIZE THEY ARE TRULY LIVING IN A REAL HUMAN ZOO, LIKE THE ICONIC SHOW OF THE TV series the 'TWILIGHT ZONE', WHEN THE EARTH ENVIRONMENT BECOMES A LOCKED IN HOME, AS 'CAVE'.



FOLKS LIKE 'PLATO' AND ME, HAVE LITERALLY ESCAPED THAT FRIGGING CAVE, AND REFUSE TO GO BACK, AND DON'T HAVE TO AS WE HAVE DEVELOPED WHAT THE HUMAN BEING CAN HAVE IN THE FREEDOM OF RELATIVE HUMAN FREE WILL.

ALL the great philosophers point toward this Truth AND LIGHT but most people DO NOT get the meaning of it.

Salvation is really being free, not just a fantasy of being free.

The words of fantasy must be created as reality in flesh and blood now, to truly be real, in NOW.

Anything else is just illusion, in the long run, if not PRACTICED IN FLESH AND BLOOD LIFE NOW.

AND TRULY, PER THE LINK BELOW THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT THE REPORTED GNOSTIC JESUS IS SPEAKING TO, too.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/thomas.htm

BUT HUMANS, IN THEIR MOST BASIC OF INSTINCTS THRIVE SOCIAL ACCEPTANCE FOR SURVIVAL, AND TO GO AGAINST THE HERD OF SHEEP THAT HERD THE SHEEP, WILL NOT HAPPEN UNLESS ENOUGH 'SHEEPDOGS' INTERVENE.

JESUS, BUDDHA, AND MUHAMMAD WERE A FEW OF THE FIRST ONES, where the words were twisted around, similar to the metaphor for that in the movie the 'Book of Eli', THROUGH Roman Emperor Constantine RULES too.

People like Madonna, Katy Perry, Led Zeppelin, Styx, and yes, even the so-called 'wickedest man' of the 20th Century, Aleister Crowley, ARE all 'SHEEPDOGS'; real protectors of the FREEDOMS OF THE FLOCK, LIKE JESUS, BUDDHA, AND MUHAMMAD IN WHAT THEY TRIED TO DO, to save humans from themselves and other psychopathic leaning folks.

THE REAL GOD OF NATURE, IN THE CASE-STUDY OF HUMAN NATURE IS A NATURE OF MERIT IN STRENGTH OF HUMAN RELATIVE FREE WILL AND UNCONDITIONAL LOVE EXPRESSED FULLY AS HUMAN FREEDOM, IN ALL THE DIVERSE FLAVORS AND COLORS THAT COMES IN.

ANYTHING LESS, IS THE PATH TO the human metaphors of REAL LITERAL HUMAN HELL, JAIL, PRISON AND THE HUMAN ZOO, AS ILLUSTRATED WELL IN THE TWILIGHT ZONE SHOW BELOW, SADLY, AS THAT REALITY IS COMING TRUE NOW FOR SO MANY more FOLKS AS WE SPEAK, who are born with a platter full of cultural lies earlier and earlier now in life, almost from the time of birth.



When AND WHERE there are FEW TO no reference points FOR TRUER HUMAN FREEDOMS, there will be FEWER ways out.

Thank GOD for recorded information and the free expression of all of that as that is where real hope for the WAY OUT, CAN EXIST.

AND IF THAT IS EVER CONTROLLED, LIKE THE MOVIE 'THE GIVER', THEN LIFE WILL REALLY S*** THEN, AS WITHOUT REFERENCE POINTS FOR THE POTENTIAL OF REAL HUMAN FREEDOM FULLY EXPRESSED, '1984' BECOMES NOW, AND FOR ALL PRACTICAL INTENTS AND PURPOSES IT IS NOW, FOR THOSE WHO LIVE IN AN UNWITTING HUMAN ZOO.



However, the potential for these true human freedoms exist in human innate instinct and intuition, and the so-called outcasts of cultural illusory rule, for whatever reason, whether that be illness or ostracism, will have a better chance of escaping.

Without falling ill, with life threatening maladies for 5 years, I would likely still live, in an unwitting FRIGGING HUMAN ZOO.

BUT HEAR ME ROAR, NOW..:)



Nah, the 'prophets' didn't stop with Muhammad; Katy AND HER FELLOW ARTISTS works just as well, IN REAL FLESH AND BLOOD LIFE ART OF GOD AKA heArt or HEART, SOUL, AND SPIRIT UNLEASHED AND RELEASED IN A ROAR OF HUMAN FREEDOM! IN THE REAL EYE OF THE TIGER DANCING THROUGH THE FIRE AND THE CHAMPION ROARING A SONG OF FREEDOM!


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