PETITION: Forced Vaccination Violates Informed Consent

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The legal citations included in the link to the petition PDF are interesting.

AspieUtah,

what's you opinion on infant and child booster car seats because in my state, you are required, by law, to be sure your child is in one whenever riding in a car. I notice all this fuss about vaccinations but anti vaxxers ignore the simple fact the law requires them to find a certified car seat for their young children. Do they defy this law because of government overreach?

I know I'm not AspieUtah...

But I believe in special seats for young children in cars.

I wish seats would be created which would allow the child to look out the window at the scenery.

I believe in them too and for the same reason, I believe in vaccinations.

In Nova Scotia people are required by law to get their dogs and cats vaccinated for rabies, even though rabies here is actually quite rare. Or maybe it's rare because of the vaccinations. What if people develop the same anti-vax attitude about having their pets get their shots? I've wondered about this for some time but was worried it will put ideas into the anti-vaxxer's heads, and then we'll have all kinds of pets roaming around with rabies and distemper and feline/canine influenza and...

How much you wanna bet these anti vaxxers do get their pets vaccinated? I experience so much irony in life, this would not surprise me in the least.

It could work, the Typhoid Marys' could be sent to a FEMA Camp, studied as control naturals.

Like the Flu, Vaccines need to be updated as disease evolves.

It would be unethical to keep a group to infect, but if they self chose and give Informed Consent, it works.

Unvaccinated they would be an early warning system for change that might jump the Vaccine Wall.

I have been told I was one of the last to be Vaccinated against Small Pox. Everyone since is unprotected.

Plague popped up in Colorado, killed a teen. Flu like symptoms, and twelve hours later you are dead.

Hansa Virus is in the same southwest.

The Government has been sending live Anthrax to all fifty States.

The Military gets vaccinated against things you have never heard of.

Cuba did send all HIV to closed camps, it did stop the spread, left Cuba HIV Free.

Typhoid Mary was confined for life after spreading disease and death, restricting the unvaccinated, will prevent death.

The Pest House is a long tradition, Leper Colonies, so we should accommodate the unvaccinated.

This thing just goes on and on, but some things should be kept in mind:

Unless you consider vaccination as a condition for, say, attending school to be forced vaccination (unless there is an appropriate exemption), forced vaccination is not something that typically occurs in the USA, except during emergencies, nor are there any serious proposals for it. (There is a misconception regarding the California bill, but it works the same as other vaccination laws by placing vaccination as a condition for doing things like attending school, unless there is an appropriate exemption, and not using coercion.)

And even if you do consider it to be forced vaccination, you have to keep the following in mind:

Children cannot give informed consent.

While adults are able to refuse any treatment, even life-saving treatment, except in a few circumstances, parents and legal guardians do not have the same rights in making decisions regarding the refusal of treatment for their children, though where the line is drawn remains unclear.

comparing anti-vax to rabies shots is a bit weak, as rabies doesn't show symptoms until it's too late to remedy. that's probably also why rabies is such a Big Deal despite being rare.

Anthrax research samples are shipped in cases designed to withstand direct artillery attacks without leaking, and which can't be opened without special equipment.

Additionally, it is very hard to find a pasture where the soil does not test positive for anthrax, and very hard to find anyone who works or plays with livestock who doesn't have anthrax antibodies in their blood.

If the cattle kick up a cloud of dust, you inhale a few tens of thousands of spores and unless you are severely immunocompromised, you never even notice.

When you grow anthrax in a petri dish, it is very clumpy. "Weaponizing" anthrax is a matter of turning it into a fine powder without cooking it. This is a nontrivial endeavor that requires someone who really knows what they are doing.

If you enhale several million spores, they out-replicate your immune response and you suffocate.

If you get spores in an open wound, you need some antiseptic cream, or else it might ulcerate, but you would need to really ignore it for a long time for it to get bad.

Mary Mallon got out for a few years and went right back to killing people so they locked her up again. She never believed that she was a carrier.

The number of vaccine shots has skyrocketed to around 3x the number that I received when I was a kid. I do believe in vaccines but I find the number that are given nowadays a bit disturbing.

What's disturbing about it?

The actual act of giving a baby an injection is disturbing. Because they don't like it. You'll do a lot of things to a kid in it's life that it doesn't like, that are for it's own good.

This is about saving lives. We're pretty good at it.

I had a mormon friend in high school who went on a proselytizing mission to the mascarene islands. Before he went, he had to receive something on the order of 80 different vaccinations. The standard set that we give children to keep them alive is pretty limited, in my estimation.

You want to know what's disturbing? I and most of my brothers are taller than our dad. Some of us by more than 6 inches. Probably because he had polio when he was 10 years old.

His mother stayed up 24 hours a day to continually massage his joints until he got over it.