Guns as the great equalizer

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To anyone who wants guns to be taken away, please read this, it should convince you to change your mind. Guns take force out of the equation, so that only persuasion can be used.

"The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound
mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal
footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical
strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.
There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of
bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be
more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a
firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That,
of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly
disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat – it has no validity
when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed." - Maj. L. Caudill, USMC (Ret)

http://www.redstate.com/diary/denniswingo/2013/01/29/the-gun-is-civilization/

[moved to PPR from general autism discussion].

I'm not advocating any "taking away of guns" (that's just a scare tactic that conservatives use to get your vote) but . . .

In a lot of the above scenarios, the 100 pound woman and the 75 year old retiree fumble, or don't have the nerve, and the gun is taken from them.

At any rate, most gun deaths in this country are suicide. The numbers don't lie - having an operable firearm in the home greatly increases the probability that an attempted suicide will be successful.

Ok here are my thoughts on the matter. I live in Texas, some may consider the gun slinger central of the USA. Fine, whatever. Sterotype us, I do not give a flying f**k. But, I believe it is our right. Within our constitutional rights mind you! That we allowed access to firearms.

Our ancestors, died for that right. So we could have them for hunting/protect us from a oppressive government. To be quite frank.

And I'm here, a lefty, some would say a pinko, to say: Have at it. See if i care.

Actually some people might give you crap about it if you are one of those open carry nitwits who needs the protection of a fully automatic weapon at the Walmart Express, but I'd just think you were compensating for something.

But statistically, if a bullet from that gun finds it's way into a human body, it'll be you or someone you know.

Sleep tight.

Taking guns away is impossible. They can legally be banned but to limited effect.


It takes the will to fight as much as anything. The gun is just the tool that facilitates that will.

Gee, I'm sooooo relieved........


It depends on the individual how well they will fare when the time comes.


Numbers and statistics do lie if rendered by a liar. A foot from the keyboard I'm using right now lies in a drawer a loaded .40 caliber Glock with 14 rounds in it.
Why am I not killing myself?
Why are not all the other gun owners I know not killing themselves?
I only personally know one (1) person that used a gun to kill himself. Trust me, if not for the gun he would have chosen and pursued another method within the minute.....

classic left propaganda that has not fact in reality.


This ^ is not a fully automatic weapon. I doubt anyone has ever carried a assault rifle into a walmart. they cost around $15,000 and up. not something you'd want to just carry around and risk losing.

texans carried rifles in stores and around because unlike in other states they weren't allowed to carry handguns, it was a political move to legalize carrying handguns. regardless a rifle on the back of a person doesn't harm anyone besides some anti gun person's feelings. last i checked feelings aren't protected rights.

>.> yeah sure. I'm willing to bet most rounds fired never hit a person you know. suppose you think cops and criminals shoot at people they know? what about all the defensive shootings people do? suppose all those criminals were they family right? maybe you should actually do research instead of just saying the same old lies the left tells to people to push their agenda.

also yeah, while not greatly it does increase your chances of being shot. also driving a car increases the chance you'll be in a accident. having electricity in your house increases your chances of being shocked to death, eating non liquids increases your chances of choking to death, going around people increases your chances of being killed, yep turns out having anything around means you have a chance of it/them hurting you. whoopie do. doesn't stop anyone from driving, eating, having electricity, and hanging around people. but you and the left are trying to imply you have a 90% chance of being shot which is just stupid, its probably at most 5% given the amount of gun owners to suicides by gun. but then the truth would hardly scare people away from gun ownership. yeah the right is the ones who use scare tactics >.>

OP sketches a very idealistic image.

yes, it invalidates differences in physical ability, but it is naive to assume only the physically weaker party will hold the gun.
in this case, the more agressive party will be the "victor", with worse injuries and more chance for 'collateral damage' than without a gun.

so you'd rather just the bad guy have a gun?
I'd rather have every chance I could. life is sh***y there's all kinds of what ifs that can happen. if I went by them I'd killed myself long ago. but you're more likely to be mugged by a guy with a knife or bat or just his arms then a gun. There are tons of cases where the more aggressive party was not the victor. few bullets to the stomach and chest tend to change most peoples minds. well most people change their mind just from seeing a gun, more from seeing it pointed at them. most defense cases end with no shot being fired and never being reported.

could be as simple as flashing a gun when a mob of people approaches you.
there was a case where a guy was walking towards another guy who was sitting on his tail gate drinking a beer. the 2nd guy took out a handgun and put it on the tailgate, the first guy seeing this turned around.

but back to the point. its better to have every chance you can. that fire extinguisher under you counter can't put out all fires, but most people have one. what if the fire starts right next to it? its useless then, so probably shouldn't even bother having one and just let your house burn down without a fight right?

having a gun is a equalizer that can save your life in many cases. in others it won't matter. but it's likely in those cases nothing would matter. nearly everyone who carries a gun considers knows this, but we still carry for the cases it would help and save lives.

raptor

G23 with one in chamber?

though suppose you could be one to under load magazines.

Maybe a non lethal option like pepper spray would be better for home protection, so you don't accidentally shoot a friend or family member?

Last edited by Nebogipfel on 08 Jun 2015, 4:49 am, edited 1 time in total.

Statistically, there have been many times a potential rape victim or one of violence against them succesfully shot their attackers and walked away from it, so don't tell me anything about statistics. When you're in trouble, who do you call? someone to come over there with a gun, right, the police. A .357 has a much faster response time than the police do...

Kids actually used to have shooting classes in high schools in the 50's..so many school shootings back then..

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I hate to use labels like liberal or conservative etc. because they're both f****d up in different ways..but this is what you can call 'liberal/leftist' propaganda to take away people's inherent right to defend themselves in the way they so choose, and to only give the government and the state the monopoly on the use of force..

I agree with those that have said that having a gun around, doesn't mean someone's gonna kill themselves / others. My family's from / lives-in the South----EVERYBODY, in my family has a gun! My niece got married, and eight months, later, to-the-DAY, her husband was killed, by a drunk driver. If there was ever a reason to wanna kill yourself, or somebody else, THAT was IT, IMO----and, there were guns, available, all-over-the-place----but, she had a HUGE network of support / people looking-out, for her, etc.

I also agree with those who said that if a gun was NOT available, people would use ANYTHING that WAS----more than ONE time, people have been killed with rocks, bricks, cars (PURPOSELY), baseball bats, kitchen knives, etc., etc., etc. The problem IS, when someone looks at a BRICK, they don't think "kill / dead"----when some people look at a GUN, that's ALL they think!!