Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

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02 Jul 2015, 5:34 pm

Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

Have you seen this rather well done movie?

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They end asking about a God who tortures babies as God did to King David’s baby.
God also killed many innocent babies in his great flood as well as the innocent first born of Egypt.

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Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

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02 Jul 2015, 5:46 pm

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02 Jul 2015, 6:06 pm

The Bible is filled with stories where events happen and it must be God getting even with someone for sinning. In reality, David was a flawed man and Solomon was strange and mystical, even worse than David.

If a man committed adultery, killed the woman's husband he committed it with, not always directly, but even wanting someone to go away is a death of sorts because you are telling them you don't want them around, and the woman he commits it with has a child and he gets sick and dies, 2000 + years ago, they believed God was judging and punishing the adulterers by allowing it to happen and they wrote it on the pages of books. Eventually, over time, it appears in texts, one of which is the Bible. Really it's just men writing about these events. Back then, infant mortality was high. A baby getting sick and dying was not an uncommon occurrence. Even people who didn't commit adultery had infants that died of illness. Having one die was hardly a measure of one's moral fiber. It was just an unfortunate earthly condition, at the time. As we learn, we figure out ways to keep infants from dying and this is how the true divinity works from within, by allowing us to find these ways, to figure stuff out.

The Divine is not evil. Conditions of the Demiurgent world, the imperfect place that is only a tiny bit divine, are evil and unjust. The only way to defeat them is through the knowledge, salvation, finding the divine spark within.

The Bible can be unreliable but should help you develop your wisdom. When you reach conclusions about reality, the human condition and how humanity responds, you become wiser. You learn more about how divinity manifests and think, what about what I can do? How can I become divine? How can I find my own salvation?

This purpose the Bible serves and I feel more and more like Yoda everyday. :alien:



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02 Jul 2015, 6:54 pm

Yes.

Baby killers always justify their actions.

I think you are asking if it's moral to torture babies. And that would depend on your morals.



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02 Jul 2015, 7:23 pm

Whenever some american christian's kid dies horribly their parents refer to their god "taking him home" and say that their god "works in mysterious ways".

I don't see why i am supposed to worship such a god.



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02 Jul 2015, 8:09 pm

Despite what it sounds like in the thread title you're not asking about humans 'torturing babies'.
You're really asking if its alright for God to kill babies.

Well...every baby ever born was 'killed by God'. With some babies he waits until like seventy, or a 100, years after they're born to kill them, and some he kills shortly after, or shortly before they're born. But every human ever born gets murdered by god, because he built us all with an expiration date (ie built us to be mortal). So I guess it must be alright. Don't like it much. But that's how it is.



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02 Jul 2015, 8:40 pm

It seems incredibly wicked a mother goes through labor and delivery only to die afterward of complications, infections, or, lose the infant she just delivered to complications, infections or illness. Circumstance was often cruel in the time of King David. They looked for reasons. It's the will of God, God's judgment, God's punishment. It was how they coped with the evil circumstances of living on earth.

If you look at how humans have progressed, it is because of individuals who were able to think of ways to get past these cruel circumstances. Now you can be an adulterer and you get keep your infants, thanks to advances in hygiene and medicine. Some Bible readers will say it's God's mercy or love for mankind, but look at what God did to David. Contradictions abound!



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03 Jul 2015, 11:09 am

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