SUN: Their Royal Heilnesses

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Not for the first time has this "family" supported the German Reich. Prince Philip admitted as much in 2006 ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... neral.html ). The Telegraph described how he "travelled alone to Germany for the funeral at Darmstadt, the Hesse family's home town south of Frankfurt. As the coffins were borne through streets festooned with swastikas, he cut a forlorn figure in his civilian dark suit and overcoat, his white-blonde hair standing out against the dark military greatcoats.

Beside him marched his surviving German brothers-in-law: Prince Christoph of Hesse, husband of Philip’s youngest sister, Sophie, conspicuous in his SS garb; and Christoph's brother, Prince Philipp of Hesse, in the brown shirt of the SA. Philip’s uncle, Lord Louis ("Dickie") Mountbatten, followed just behind in British naval dress. The streets of Darmstadt were lined with detachments of soldiers in Nazi uniforms and, as the procession passed, many in the crowd extended their arms in a Heil Hitler salute -- a gesture Philip had been accustomed to seeing as a schoolboy in Nazi Germany. Don and Cecile had recently joined the Nazi party themselves. Hitler and Goebbels had sent messages of sympathy; Goering attended the funeral in person" ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... dhood.html ).

The queen's grandson, Prince Harry, was infamously photographed in 2005 wearing a Nazi uniform to a party ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... utfit.html ).

It seems the family just can't shake the powerful images that show it to be legally and politically neck-deep into Nazism. It is almost as if they want to be seen in this light.

I'm not exactly know for my royalist views, however I see this just as historic footage and nothing more. There is no actually conspiracy.

Btw some of the newspaper famously supported Hilter. Quite a number of people did in the 1930s, including in the US.

The sun not a newspaper that cares about the morality of all of this, it is a tabloid.

It is obsessed with he royals, not to bring to them down just stories that sell newspapers.

Its sister paper was the news of the world the one where a journalist went to prison for hacking royal phones in 2007. I actually met this journalist (Clive Goodman) a few times, he was the fall guy for what would transpired was an institutional problem. I can't defend his actions (he was later re-arrested too), however he was one of many and one of the few to go to prison.

Personally I don't see the hype about this footage. I think the press office of Buckingham Palace have handled it badly. Yes it is embarking but perfectly explainable.

The Queen's own record on this speaks for itself during an after the war. Nobody has a perfect record in 80 odd years.

Not a fan of the Royals but holding an elderly woman responsible for something she did as a child, when she couldn't possibly understand its significance, seems a bit of a stretch.

Perhaps we should talk about Joe Kennedeys rumoured German connections.

The two girls were little kids and didn't know what they were doing. But Edward was definitely a Nazi sympathizer.

The royal family are in fact German -- there are British commoners with more actually "British" genes in their ancestry than this bunch. It's ironic that in many people's minds this family are thought of as the most "British" or English people, the essence of Englishness, yet the royal family is all a bunch of foreigners genetically and ancestrally.

Quite.

Don't think the Daily Mail is in much of a position to criticise people for their attitudes towards Nazism 80 years ago.

I had my "moment in The Sun," too. In 2007, when I created the hereditary society Bloodlines of Salem ( http://www.bloodlinesofsalem.org/ ), I found a likely relationship between actor Tom Felton (Harry Potter's Draco Malfoy) and several Feltons who participated in the Salem Witch Trials of 1692 (who were also my cousins). The American Feltons descended from the original Norman Feltons as most likely did the actor since the surname was a notable creation ("Field Town") within the 11th century nobility. My news release emphasized the "likelihood" of a connection.

Well, one night at about 4:00 a.m. Utah time, I received a telephone call from Sun reporter Thomas Whitaker in London who wanted to publish a little something about the news of my hereditary society. I was in no state to converse intellectually or even logically, but I muddled through. I remember correcting his presumption that I "had proof" (it was only "a very good chance," I told him) of the actor's connection to Salem. What ended up appearing ( http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... witch.html and http://metro.co.uk/2007/06/22/harry-pot ... hes-479722 ) a few hours later was ever so factually "correct" but my reported certitude was extremely inaccurate. I had to admire the surgical skill that the reporter used to get to where he wanted the report to be instead of where it really was. Still, it was correct.

Then, last year at Salt Lake Comic Con, my friend (to whom I had transferred ownership and operation of the hereditary society) received press credentials to attend a private celebrity scrum and wouldn't you know it, spotted Tom Felton immediately. The actor laughed when reminded about the Sun fiasco, saying that he "had heard something about it" when, in fact, it was published in no less than 2,700 newspapers, magazines and broadcast news reports worldwide. When told of this conversation, I replied that "at least cousin Tom didn't haul off and take a swing at you, so he mustn't have minded the report too much."

Sooo, while understanding the social behaviors of the London tabloid artists, I also realize that they do try to stay outside the realm of libel (if only for career reasons), especially when it involves their meal-ticket celebrities. In the case of Elizabeth's Nazi salute, it remains a fact that she and her family were and remain connected to certain aspects of the German Reich, but clearly, she wasn't much of a Nazi sympathizer then. Several members of her family then and now certainly were and are.