Ben Carson: "Gun control doesn't work for the crazies"

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http://national.suntimes.com/national-world-news/7/72/1925624/ben-carson-gun-control-doesnt-work-crazies

I agree. And also, crazy doesn't always mean mentally ill. You can be a douchebag with a bad temper and just not give a f**k cause you got nothing to lose and don't mind doing time and be totally sane and shoot somebody. It's not ALL people who have mental illness, cause I have depression and I'd be fine with a gun, but if I was seeing s**t I don't need even a damn can of pepper spray cause that's dangerous for everybody.

It's the crazies which are the very reason the rest of us need guns. People who don't mind coming in and stealing your s**t and all that. Not all mentally ill people are crazy and not all crazy people are mentally ill. However, no damn crazy needs a gun. Ever! I've seen a lot of crazy people with them and it's never a good outcome. Ever. I've seen a few mentally ill people with one too and they were ok, but they weren't crazy mentally ill, just plain garden variety mentally ill.

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Think of it this way:

Toronto, a city of 3 million people, goes into absolute panic mode when they have 50 murders in a year.

New York City, a city of 8 million people, congratulates itself on having had 400 murders in a year.

I think we have to control the sale of guns to people in some way.

A more thorough background check, and some sort of waiting/cooling-down period should be mandated for sales of guns.

I don't find that this infringes upon people's 2nd Amendment rights. Similar to how one must use freedom of speech in an appropriate manner.

Here is the thing. I can go into a gun shop and fill out a form and all that and wait to see if I can legally buy a gun. Then if I can it's good to go and if I can't then I am out of luck. At a gun shop. I can look in the paper and see a guy with something I want for sale and go buy it from him with cash and take it right home. It would be on me to register it and he would have a copy of the bill of sale as would I, so if I kill somebody with it he's got proof that he sold it to me, and if I get pulled over with it I got proof I bought it, but he doesn't do a check on me. I do not have to register it or get a permit. I am totally free to take my chances and carry it if I want to or keep it in my house and not register it and use it for home protection.

That is where the problem comes in. Don't make it harder in stores, how are you gonna stop people from selling their own personal guns?

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Yeah...therein lies the problem. Individuals who are not stores cannot be regulated.

Gun violence from the "crazies" isn't statistically relevant really, these big mass shooting just create mass hysteria which propagates copycats. This guy in Oregon said himself that he admired that television reporter killer in North Carolina or wherever, the attention is received. Gun violence in this country is concentrated in our urban inner cities, disproportionately black or latino, with socioeconomics and drugs playing a much bigger role the mental health. Legalize drugs, tackle the inequality and poverty that plagues this country, and you'd see a massive drop in gun crime and crime overall.

There is a mental health crisis in this country, we do not take care of the disabled, our public schools are a joke, a lot of people fall thru the cracks unfortunately. For every crazy violent person, there are probably thousands if not millions that suffer without treatment in abject poverty and isolation who are far far more likely to be victimized by a violent crime than perpetrate one. Just taking away their ability to buy guns isn't going to solve this issue and it would probably leave a lot of these people far more vulnerable to violence without any way to protect themselves. Do you think our police is who they want to call for help? They regularly ended up murdering people they get called on to do check ups on. Protecting your life and body is a natural right, it doesn't go away because your "brain chemistry" is slightly different, we need due process because it is not right to preemptively take away someone's rights because of prejudice and fear.

My ex husband is in prison for murder. This is the second guy I know of he's shot, but the first one didn't die and wouldn't press charges or say who did it. However, he's passed every psych test and evaluation he's ever had. With flying colors. He had lots of legal guns, but he shot this dude with one because he was hungry and they were broke and he was pissed off. He also shot at his wife. Even though she's my friend, I do kinda get that though. But he didn't hit her. I've known her longer than he has and was her friend before she married him and still am, so it's ok I said that. But passing a psych test isn't always a guarantee you are sane. He was a nutjob and a criminal and abusive and a total s**t jackass douchebag waste of space, but he never did time in his life no matter what he did and only now has he gone to prison for killing somebody.

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