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18 Nov 2015, 5:47 pm

Wanna give an update.... But what should I do if I consider converting to Judaism again? I'm sick and tired of going back and forth..... How do I make up my mind?



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18 Nov 2015, 6:04 pm

Would it be possible to become a jew again, after you have left? Aren't religious communities rather punishing towards ex-members, to enforce a certain unity?

I'm an atheist, religious beliefs and the rules to live by coming with that, I consider lifestyle choices. So your curiosity has my blessing.


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18 Nov 2015, 6:17 pm

shlaifu wrote:
Would it be possible to become a jew again, after you have left? Aren't religious communities rather punishing towards ex-members, to enforce a certain unity?
I live in the United States, so punishment for apostasy DEFINITELY should not be a problem....



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18 Nov 2015, 6:19 pm

Can you be half-Muslim and half-Jew?



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18 Nov 2015, 6:20 pm

Catlover5 wrote:
Can you be half-Muslim and half-Jew?
My paraprofessional suggested that... he said I should combine the two religions.... I suppose I could...



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18 Nov 2015, 6:22 pm

MonsterCrack wrote:
Catlover5 wrote:
Can you be half-Muslim and half-Jew?
My paraprofessional suggested that... he said I should combine the two religions.... I suppose I could...
Scratch that, I think I should just pick one.... The two religions contradict each other.



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18 Nov 2015, 6:28 pm

In that case, I think what you should do is pick out a good number of beliefs etc. as you can from each religion for comparison, and go with the religion that you find matches your views the most.



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18 Nov 2015, 6:29 pm

^I salute his curiosity too. But I'm afraid that his curiosity has a certain desperation to it.


1) There is no law that says you have to make up your mind what religion you will be for the rest of your life by age 16. So if you cant make up your mind, then just dont for now. Its nothing to worry about.

2)How much of this religious crises is really religious? How much of it is a secular psychological issue? If you crave discipline, and regimentation, then...maybe you should join the army. Religion may not be the cure to what is really bugging you.



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18 Nov 2015, 6:30 pm

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^I salute his curiosity too. But I'm afraid that his curiosity has a certain desperation to it.


1) There is no law that says you have to make up your mind what religion you will be for the rest of your life by age 16. So if you cant make up your mind, then just dont for now. Its nothing to worry about.

2)How much of this religious crises is really religious? How much of it is a secular psychological issue? If you crave discipline, and regimentation, then...maybe you should join the army. Religion may not be the cure to what is really bugging you.

Join the army???! !!?? Are you crazy? I wouldn't last in the army.... But I suppose you're right, I can find discipline in other ways...



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18 Nov 2015, 6:34 pm

Or, another option could be, and this may sound out of the norm, but, you could for a while partake in rituals (or whatever the proper term is; basically what e.g. church-going is in Christianity) from both religions to experiment, and go with the one you feel suits you the most.

Please disregard what I say if you feel it doesn't apply.



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18 Nov 2015, 7:03 pm

I think you are too hasty to make up you mind. You should spend more time looking into it.

Maybe you feel if you not in one camp this is somehow bad. However I think this is faulty logic.



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18 Nov 2015, 8:42 pm

You won't be "punished" for converting to Judaism, then turning your back of Judaism--because you didn't convert to Judaism in the first place.

It takes YEARS for a non-Jew to convert to Judaism-- As to why? I really cannot answer that.

Ever thought about Bahai Faith? This "religion" emphasizes the unity of all mankind---Muslim, Jew, Christian, Buddhist, Jainist, Sikh, etc.



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18 Nov 2015, 8:51 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
You won't be "punished" for converting to Judaism, then turning your back of Judaism--because you didn't convert to Judaism in the first place.

It takes YEARS for a non-Jew to convert to Judaism-- As to why? I really cannot answer that.

Ever thought about Bahai Faith? This "religion" emphasizes the unity of all mankind---Muslim, Jew, Christian, Buddhist, Jainist, Sikh, etc.
I've tried that, but it hasn't worked for me.... I just don't see how the messiah and second coming of Jesus could only have 7 million followers, and claim that Muhammad is a prophet when Muhammad claimed to be the final prophet.... (the seal of the prophets)



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18 Nov 2015, 9:08 pm

Am I the only one who thinks "converting" is very questionable?

I mean in almost all religions you're supposed to stick to your faith and apostasy is a no-no. So when you convert from religion A to religion B, you commit apostasy in religion A, but you have been living in apostasy from religion B for the entire time you have been part of religion A...
You see what I mean? As soon as you convert, you can't not have commited apostasy...

Overall, if you can convert when and as you want, why even consider it commited faith?
It's religion A today and religion B tomorrow... whatever is convenient at the moment.
Maybe in a month it's atheism.

No offense, but when I look at it, I'm displeased.



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18 Nov 2015, 9:29 pm

I meant 'punishing' in a social context, not physical punishment. As in: members of your former religious group stopping to communicate with you, and such. Ehich can be very stressful and can be considered psychological punishment.

Anyway, lacking strict guidelines and discipline are modern man's existential woes, and the reward is in developing your own set of rules, and sticking to them because they reflect your personal values. Be your own prophet!
(I'm saying these things as if I knew how to do that, but really, be nice to yourself. Enlightenment took the Buddha a lot of sitting under a tree, contemplating, - and he didn't have to worry about his 401k)


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18 Nov 2015, 9:31 pm

Join Atheism we have candy :twisted: