Wahhabism and jihadism are unislamic....

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the first caliphate, the rashidun caliphate, was a democracy (see Islamic democracy on wikipedia) killing of civilians and damage of infrastructure are forbidden (see Islamic military jurisprudence) and the early Muslim world has a long history of women serving in high level jobs (except for caliph, imam sheikh and soldier) and it just disgusts me that the wahhabis and jihadists of today say women should be confined to the home and wear niqab (face covering) or that "voting is forbidden" or that killing of civilians and execution of apostates is okay (the abbasids had many atheists, and turan dursun (i think thats his name) was influenced by a medieval persian who was openly atheists, so it disgusts me when i see saudis calling atheists "terrorists," its sad to see my religion hijacked by extremists....

The Niqab may be from Babylonian culture or pre-Islamic Persian, for very different reasons.

Some people erroneously think it is Byzantine, but there is no evidence of this. Head covering yes but no face veil.

They are not unislamic, and that's the problem.

Islam does have violent verses, and the likes of wahhabists are applying what's written there to the letter.

Islam.....needs a messiah, a liberation movement, like Christianity for Judaism - but that can be hardly possible in these days.

Or the Middle East has to become mostly secular.

If it is unIslamic then Muslims need to reject them as the representative of Islam but they can't, Saudi Arabia has the two holy mosques so they essentially own the religion. Perhaps you guys need to go have some words with the Wahhabist tribe. My advice to fix the middle east is conversion, Christian/Jew/Scientologist/Baha'i/atheist/whatever it doesn't matter. We can't defeat terrorism as long as we are allies with Saudi Arabia and Turkey, they are the fifth column.

Freedom of religion was, to the best historical accounts, an invention of Genghis & Kublai Khan. Killers the world over have long misunderstood this dynamic.

I seem to recall byzantine art showing very similar aesthetics, if not necessarily covering faces.

The Koran says "dress modestly". It doesnt say "cover yourself head to to with only eye holes in burka".

The veil predates Islam in the pagan middle east. Traditionally the rule to wear a veil was "self enforcing". It was the absence of a veil that had to be enforced : good girls wore veils as a badge of status. It was the "fallen women" (to put it in Victorian Western terms) who put on airs by wearing a veil who had to be told by authorities to NOT wear it.

Here's what I don't fully understand. If you read the Old Testament there are passages where the Israelites committed genocide and took women as "booty". Yahweh even condones it. You could argue the Israelites were even worse than the first Muslims as they didn't even offer religious conversion as a way out. People were simply killed off, even women and children. Yet modern Christians and Jews do not glorify the way the ancient Israelites made war on "idolators" the way salafi jihadists glorify the way Muhammad made war on "idolators" in the early years of Islam. This is the biggest problem. Groups like ISIS condone genocide against religious minorities because they condone living like ancient barbarians, people who lived over a thousand years ago. They don't accept that human civilization has progressed beyond that. I mean, imagine if people from Scandinavian countries had a book that instructed them to act like the Vikings did and insisted people convert to Odinism. That would be insanely scary.

Jihad means struggel. There is internal and external jihad. You cant bann internal and bigger jihad?

Attempt of conversion (initiated by some country) in an Islamic country (that follow Sharia, such as KSA, Qatar, Iran,...etc_ would be considered as an act of war, and would kill/jail/deport any missionnaires.

You can do it in countries like Egypt, Algeria, Lebanon, ...etc; but there would still be some risk from extremist groups if they know about it, converted muslims to christians have a higher risk than born christians.

I've heard of Christian conversion on the rise in Algeria and other Maghreb countries, Christianity in the Meghreb was almost non-existent there for centuries, only Islam and a minority of Jews....

http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/0 ... istianity/

However some of the earliest Christians were Berber, even two popes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Miltiades
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gelasius_I

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Algeria

The leaders of every sect of Islam claim that all other sects of Islam are wrong. If every sect of Islam is wrong, then none of them are right. Thus, there is no "right" Islam.

There were north African Christians before there were British Christians. By the fall of Rome in the West around 500 AD Christianity had spread to Egypt, the Horn of Africa, and north Africa. Later the Islamic Arab invasion of North Africa, and of Spain, in the AD 700's brought Islam to the Region (rendering the Coptic Christians a minority in Egypt, and rendering the Coptic Christian kingdom of Ethiopia an isolated chunk of Christendom in Subsaharan Black Africa separated from the main body of Christendom in Europe.

Then Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia, remained firmly part of the Islamic world for the next thirteen centuries (even while being French colonies in the late nineteenth/early 20th Centuries). But apparently there is now an evangelical Christian trend happening there.

Christians can be vast in number. But the prophet Muhammed says that my people are right even if they are few. Luckily authorities lead our societies and not the people. Because there are too many myths in Christendom. And I repeat it is not a contest between Muslims and Christians about world dominance. AFteral Jesus says that the kingdom is not in taking over the world but found within. We can survive both.

Islam can not be right, because every Islamic sect claims that every other Islamic sect is wrong, and if every Islamic sect is wrong, here are none in Islam that are right.

I saw an American girl whom said: "I dont know about other Muslims, but Shias are not terrorists". I dont want to badmouth other Muslims. But I am sure of myself. I am a goodguy.