Roosevelt: Theodore, Franklin, or Eleanor?

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07 Dec 2015, 3:22 pm

Most favorite? Least favorite? Which, and why?

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07 Dec 2015, 3:27 pm

Eleanor is my favorite, because she was a bad-a** fighter for civil rights. (I'm sure she has some sh** in her history, but I haven't been interested enough to investigate.)

Franklin is my least, because he doesn't have quite the endearing charisma of Teddy, and also internment camps.

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07 Dec 2015, 4:52 pm

All three are fascinating, and all three were (on balance) positive figures.

Hard to pick a "favorite".

When you're a young boy TR is the most fun to read about. Not only was into outdoor adventure, guns, boxing, and wresting, but he was also an early introducer into America of Asian martial arts.

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07 Dec 2015, 5:27 pm

It sure is hard to choose among 3 candidates... when one of them saved the free world.

/sarcasm

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07 Dec 2015, 6:42 pm

I would say Theodore appeals to me because of how he overcame his physical "limitations."

Eleanor appeals to me because she did overcome much (including shyness) to become one of the greatest public figures of our time.

Franklin....well.....he's all right--but doesn't have quite the appeal of the other two.

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07 Dec 2015, 7:01 pm

GGPViper wrote:

It sure is hard to choose among 3 candidates... when one of them saved the free world.

/sarcasm

"Saved the free world"? By helping to hand over half of Europe to Communism? Lol. What a joke.

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07 Dec 2015, 7:31 pm

Rollo wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

It sure is hard to choose among 3 candidates... when one of them saved the free world.

/sarcasm

"Saved the free world"? By helping to hand over half of Europe to Communism? Lol. What a joke.

Any President that kept on fighting after the axis was defeated to capture Eastern Europe to prevent the Soviets from capturing it would have faced a mutiny civilian and military.

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07 Dec 2015, 7:34 pm

Yep....defeating the Nazis was the priority then.

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08 Dec 2015, 3:52 am

Rollo wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

It sure is hard to choose among 3 candidates... when one of them saved the free world.

/sarcasm

"Saved the free world"? By helping to hand over half of Europe to Communism? Lol. What a joke.

At first I was going to make some snide reply about you having little grasp of history and the role the US played in bringing down Nazi Germany and preserving the market economies of Western Europe through the Marshall Plan.

... but then I looked at your post history...

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As for "anti-Semitism", it is (as many "leftist anti-Zionists" fail to realise) just a nonsense term Jews use to attack anyone who stands in the way (whether intentionally or not) of Jewish interests.

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Taboos don't just get knocked down and replaced with new ones at random.

If PC is about protecting "minorities", perhaps PC is being driven by minorities, or one minority in particular.
In fact, the reference to minorities still masks what PC is about. (Women are not a minority, but it's far more PC to express concern with their plight than with the plight of, say, white South Africans.)

I'll spell it out. PC is an attack on white society spearheaded by Jews.

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The real reason the New World Order is constantly demonizing Nazism is that the Nazis stood for everything the New World Order opposes and the Nazis opposed everything the New World Order stands for.

Why would Western nations go from being racially uniform to multiracial (and increasingly socially and economically liberal with it) if Nazis had been in control the whole time? The point of Nazism is to use the state to preserve and strengthen the race (whichever race that might be). You might object to what Nazism involves (legal discrimination against other races, eugenics etc), but at least be honest about what real Nazism actually is. An elite adopting one value system while preaching its opposite to the multiracial masses they rule over is not "Nazism".

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But if people oppose immigration for racist reasons, so what? There's nothing wrong with that. No race of people can survive in the long run without discriminating in favour of their own kind.

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Racial separation is the solution. So who is preventing it and why?

No wonder you don't like Franklin Delano Roosevelt. In your book, he's the bad guy! :lol:

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08 Dec 2015, 4:06 am

A whole family of "progressive" aristothugs, certain that they had some kind of divine right to boss people around. I find all three pretty disgusting, but Teddy did write some entertaining books. So there's that.

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08 Dec 2015, 4:09 am

like the National Parks guy. All the rest were for international consumerism.

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08 Dec 2015, 4:44 am

Rollo wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

It sure is hard to choose among 3 candidates... when one of them saved the free world.

/sarcasm

"Saved the free world"? By helping to hand over half of Europe to Communism? Lol. What a joke.

And what was the alternative? Was letting Hitler rule over Europe so much better? Stalin was still our ally at the time, plus, being that the victorious Red Army was occupying eastern Europe, there wasn't much anyone could do about it.

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08 Dec 2015, 4:53 am

My favorite Roosevelt has to be FDR, as he saved America from capitalism's greatest failure, and had brilliantly led us to victory in our greatest foreign war. And he's living proof that a disabled man can reach for the stars.
Eleanor comes second, as she led the way as the modern activist woman.
Last is Teddy - due to a certain personal prejudice on my part. My family is largely of German extraction, and I know Teddy believed German Americans should have been required to swear a loyalty oath, as he was whipped up in the war time hysteria during WWI. My family still recalls the sh*t our forebears had gone through, as had other German Americans back then. That said, I can understand why Japanese Americans would put FDR last for mistreatment their families had gone through during WWII.

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08 Dec 2015, 1:22 pm

Not Kermit or Kermit Jr. for sure.

It is interesting you have two barely related presidents with he same surname. I guess that was the mainline protestant era of presidents thought so probably reasonably common Germanic name.

Teddy is more interesting historically becuase he straddles two different eras.

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08 Dec 2015, 1:44 pm

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Although they pronounced the name differently, Theodore and Franklin were fifth cousins. Eleanor was Teddy's niece, making her FDR's fifth cousin once removed. Convenient, I suppose, that she didn't have to change her name.

The story is told that Teddy showed up at the FDR-Eleanor wedding, clapped the groom on the shoulder, and said, "That's keeping it in the family, Frank" – and charged off to the next room, taking the entire wedding party with him.

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08 Dec 2015, 3:24 pm

1. Teddy
2. Eleanor
3. FDR

I find all of them very interesting----very determined people, all (whether I agree with them, or not).

Teddy and FDR were especially physically strong (or, mentally strong----depending on how you look at it)----FDR, with the polio; and Teddy had malaria, or something (among other things).

Eleanor, though I don't agree with some things she did / believed / whatever, I have to give her props for her chutzpah----doing things that scared her, for instance.

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