Anti-Migrant people are the real supporters of ISIS

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06 Dec 2015, 10:21 pm

It's often forgotten in all the horror and atrocities associated with ISIS that it's still an entity existing in the modern world, and that means it still needs money to survive.

But where does ISIS get its money? Well, there are only so many ruins it can plunder and banks it can rob before it needs to turn towards a steady income.

It's main income was through oil, but constant airstrikes have significantly curtailed that source of income, which leaves taxes as the sole reliable money stream.

But of course, for taxes to be effective, people are required. And this is why ISIS doesn't actually want migrants to be a thing: ISIS doesn't want those migrants to go off to Europe, they want them to stay in their territory, where they can be taxed.

Resettling migrants in Europe will leave less people for ISIS to tax. And less taxes means less money for ISIS to spend on its enormously costly campaign.

Sending the migrants back to Iraq and Syria basically means giving ISIS more people to tax.

And that means that if you're anti-migrant, you're unwittingly pro-ISIS, sorry to say.


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06 Dec 2015, 10:34 pm

However, if you are pro-migrant, then you are in favor of ISIS supporters immigrating, getting jobs, and then sending their money through "laundering" services to ISIS.

It's called "Sending money back home", and every refugee/immigrant group does it.


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06 Dec 2015, 10:34 pm

Um, how exactly am I supporting terrorists when I don't want migrants (which the majority of them, are young men) coming into my country? You've seen what happens in other countries (France) when they are let in, knowing a good amount of them are sleeper agents which ISIS has even admitted.

This is just nonsense, I'm sorry, but it is. If you think being anti-immigration is supporting them, then I have no further words.



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06 Dec 2015, 10:37 pm

single men of military age are a very small percentage of the refugees. check your facts.



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06 Dec 2015, 10:39 pm

It could be families and sympathizers of ISIS military men who are sending remittances to their "loved ones" to turn over to their ISIS commanders.


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06 Dec 2015, 11:04 pm

Fnord wrote:
However, if you are pro-migrant, then you are in favor of ISIS supporters immigrating, getting jobs, and then sending their money through "laundering" services to ISIS.

It's called "Sending money back home", and every refugee/immigrant group does it.


This does not seem like it would be enough of a money stream to keep ISIS afloat. First of all, many of the migrants are FLEEING from ISIS. Why would they help the enemy? Second, many of these migrants will probably be taking low-paying work. After taxes AND living expenses, would there really be that much money left to "send back home"? That, combined with the massive amount of legal red tape involved in immigration, would make this a pretty bad method for making money.

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Um, how exactly am I supporting terrorists when I don't want migrants (which the majority of them, are young men) coming into my country? You've seen what happens in other countries (France) when they are let in, knowing a good amount of them are sleeper agents which ISIS has even admitted.

This is just nonsense, I'm sorry, but it is. If you think being anti-immigration is supporting them, then I have no further words.


If letting migrants into your country basically means your country will be ransacked by terrorists, then why hasn't Germany, which has accepted more migrants than any other country, been attacked yet?


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06 Dec 2015, 11:13 pm

Good idea, we should use Napalm to reduce the tax base.

Being effective counts, after the recent Russia and Syrian land recoveries, over a million people have returned to their homes.

Supporting people in the middle east costs about 1/12 the cost in Europe.

The UN only has half the money they need to help the displaced.

Millions can be helped by funding the UN High Commission on Refugees.

Many millions can be helped by the west stopping all weapons and funding for terrorist.

Syria was Iraqs refugee camp, some six million, and all the Christians. Also Palestinians.

Just quit making war on the most open and secular country in the mid east.

Of course I feel for all the Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, Afghanistan's, who are showing up in Germany claiming to be Syrian, and those from Sub Saharan Syria. Who can blame them when raping seven year old Swedish girls is legal, cures AIDs, and removes curses.

I am going to Finland, where they will give me a house, car, income, and a Sami virgin, my travel agent said it is the law.



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11 Dec 2015, 12:58 am

From what I have learned oil and plundering banks arent the only source of money nor taxing the migrants but selling Heroin and Opium is another way they make money, many terrorists groups cultivate opium feilds.


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12 Dec 2015, 4:47 am

Anywho Isis will never beable to take over the USA, we will remain free and strong!USA USA USA USA USA!


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12 Dec 2015, 2:56 pm

Nonsense, curing your bleeding hearts doesn't make up for the damage of mass immigration of peoples who cannot integrate not to mention the legitimate security threat they posed. Our governments want to create a hi-tech police state, everything we do will be surveilled and you tell me now they want to disarm us? We're treated like cattle by the TSA because why? Read between the lines! 80 year Polish grandmothers and children in wheelchairs pose a threat huh? Europe is in impossible situation, one that will destroy the continent and you would have to be dumb and hate this country to want to import that here.



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12 Dec 2015, 4:33 pm

As the views of anti-immigration types are well known worldwide, thanks to the international media, ISIS propagandists can easily use that sort of rhetoric to make America out to be Anti-Muslim and racist, thus netting new members who are susceptible to that. Certainly, the anti-immigration crowd plays into the hands of the extremists.


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12 Dec 2015, 7:09 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
As the views of anti-immigration types are well known worldwide, thanks to the international media, ISIS propagandists can easily use that sort of rhetoric to make America out to be Anti-Muslim and racist, thus netting new members who are susceptible to that. Certainly, the anti-immigration crowd plays into the hands of the extremists.


So, alternatively, would you suggest we should, essentially, alter our policies so ISIS will be happy?

So, we shouldn't have bad feelings over acts such as 9/11 and Bakersfield and try to protect ourselves from attacks on our citizens? The "the anti-immigration crowd" phrase sounds kind of flippant to me. No offence meant.

I'm sure ISIS has tales of supposed persecution aplenty. I'm sure they will find a way to spin a conclusion any way they wish, and it will be well received by disenchanted youth.



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12 Dec 2015, 7:23 pm

ZenDen wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
As the views of anti-immigration types are well known worldwide, thanks to the international media, ISIS propagandists can easily use that sort of rhetoric to make America out to be Anti-Muslim and racist, thus netting new members who are susceptible to that. Certainly, the anti-immigration crowd plays into the hands of the extremists.


So, alternatively, would you suggest we should, essentially, alter our policies so ISIS will be happy?

So, we shouldn't have bad feelings over acts such as 9/11 and Bakersfield and try to protect ourselves from attacks on our citizens? The "the anti-immigration crowd" phrase sounds kind of flippant to me. No offence meant.

I'm sure ISIS has tales of supposed persecution aplenty. I'm sure they will find a way to spin a conclusion any way they wish, and it will be well received by disenchanted youth.


No, I'm saying the anti-immigration crowd are putting us all in danger by allowing ISIS and others to define us by said anti-immigration crowd's words. There is a huge difference avenging 9/11, and bigots and demagogues painting all Muslims with the same brush.


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12 Dec 2015, 8:43 pm

Too much logic kills people's brain cells, too. Your observation is accurate, but it will never get through.
At the end of the day, solidarity is our strength. And that's what cops, politicians and the right wing are so afraid of. Stomp xenophobia when you see it, mate. Don't tire yourself out, though. Humans are a peculiar species with some very 'interesting' mindsets.


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13 Dec 2015, 5:40 pm

The world's countries all have one thing in common: they are countries of the Earth. The world's people all have one thing in common: they are people of the Earth. If someone wants to live in a different country, they have every right to. That's my opinion. Some people may not agree with that, and that's fine. To quote Evelyn Beatrice Hall, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." As far as ISIS are concerned, again everyone has their own opinion and that's fine, but I personally cannot see how someone could support a group who kill people for the sake of killing people.

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16 Dec 2015, 9:40 pm

I have a knife in my kitchen. Does that make me pro knife crime?


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