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pawelk1986
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26 Dec 2015, 3:44 pm

http://www.debate.org/opinions/are-you- ... -of-speech

I'm for freedom of speech but freedom within certain boundaries :-)

There are two schools, one that prevails in Europe where i live more ( specifically Poland :-) ) that my freedom ends where it begins to freedom of another person. Second school which is prevails in America stand for unlimited freedom of sepach.

I believe that freedom of sepach should have certain limit, because if not every lie or wicked ideas can be spread. For exemple Poland constitution forbidding promotion of totalitarian regime, and more specifically, the Nazi and Communist, because both countries Poland knows all too well.

We have also two additional acts passed by Sejm (our Parlament) one forbidding spreading of Holocaust denial and second one Passed several years which forbidding publishing obscene novel that contain underage characters performing explicit (sexual) acts, that bills forbidding also computer generated pornography involving minors (computer generated child porn)

Child porn was always banned in Poland in fact producing all pornography was banned in Poland during Communism and was lifted (except pedophilic and zoophilic porn) in 1995 after fall of communism. I'm against porn because it's sooner or later will get in children (and more precisely boys hands) which can wrongly affect their mind.

There also radicals religion like Islam which urges his followers to initiate acts of violence and terrorism
So i'm for soft form of censorship.



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26 Dec 2015, 3:50 pm

i'm all for letting people deal with the consequences of saying dumb sh!t.


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26 Dec 2015, 4:00 pm

No I'm against mind control



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27 Dec 2015, 2:16 am

Yeah, but then who decides what's a "lie" or a "wicked idea"?



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27 Dec 2015, 3:51 am

Well like every single constitutional or statutory right, there are legislative measures put into place that restricts freedom expression if the legislature or the judiciary deems them to be necessary to protect the public or common decency. The First Amendment for instance, has brought upon a far broader right towards freedom of speech then many other liberal democracies. However, the courts too, have deemed that the first Amendment has limits; for instance so-called 'fighting words' can be legally restricted. Even William O. Douglas, a staunch civil libertarian and free speech promoter, has stop short of allowing absolute free speech. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplinsk ... _Hampshire


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27 Dec 2015, 4:00 am

pawelk1986 wrote:
http://www.debate.org/opinions/are-you-for-limiting-freedom-of-speech

I'm for freedom of speech but freedom within certain boundaries :-)

There are two schools, one that prevails in Europe where i live more ( specifically Poland :-) ) that my freedom ends where it begins to freedom of another person. Second school which is prevails in America stand for unlimited freedom of speech.

Actually, this is a misconception. The United States does not have unlimited freedom of speech. And in the US - unlike any European country but Belarus - one can in fact get the death penalty for certain types of speech (if it falls under the category of "Aiding the Enemy" in the Uniform Code of Military Justice).

The following areas are - to a certain extent - not covered by the freedom of speech protection of the 1st Amendment in the United States:

- Defamation
- Fighting words
- Word intended to incite imminent lawless action

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gertz_v._ ... Welch,_Inc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplinsk ... _Hampshire (EDIT: Same case as posted above by Deltaville :D)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio

Furthermore, while no private individual - to my knowledge - have been convicted of divulging classified information in the US (as per the famous 1971 Pentagon Papers case) - government employees and contractors can - due to their contractual obligations - be prosecuted and convicted for doing so.

Most recently, former State Department contractor Stephen Jin-Woo Kim was sentenced to 13 months in prison for leaking classified information to the media:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Jin-Woo_Kim

Pawelk1986 wrote:
Child porn was always banned in Poland in fact producing all pornography was banned in Poland during Communism and was lifted (except pedophilic and zoophilic porn) in 1995 after fall of communism. I'm against porn because it's sooner or later will get in children (and more precisely boys hands) which can wrongly affect their mind.

Hmm... Almost missed this. I just noticed that you were also referring to adult pornography here.

Some food for thought, then:

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Ferguson & Hartley (2009) wrote:
The effects of pornography, whether violent or non-violent, on sexual aggression have been debated for decades. The current review examines evidence about the in fluence of pornography on sexual aggression in correlational and experimental studies and in real world violent crime data. Evidence for a causal relationship between exposure to pornography and sexual aggression is slim and may, at certain times, have been exaggerated by politicians, pressure groups and some social scientists. Some of the debate has focused on violent pornography, but evidence of any negative effects is inconsistent, and violent pornography is comparatively rare in the real world. Victimization rates for rape in the United States demonstrate an inverse relationship between pornography consumption and rape rates. Data from other nations have suggested similar relationships. Although these data cannot be used to determine that pornography has a cathartic effect on rape behavior, combined with the weak evidence in support of negative causal hypotheses from the scientific literature, it is concluded that it is time to discard the hypothesis that pornography contributes to increased sexual assault behavior.

Source: http://www.christopherjferguson.com/pornography.pdf (figure from page 326)



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27 Dec 2015, 2:11 pm

Limiting freedom of speech is a slippery slope...


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27 Dec 2015, 2:59 pm

This is slightly off topic Raptor, but do you believe the courts should hold the 8th amendment in the lens of an evolving decency of society? (Trop v. Dulles)


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