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13 Feb 2016, 8:19 pm

The process of evolution started after life started. A common misconception about evolution is that it started life. Evolution did not start life. Life started evolution.



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13 Feb 2016, 8:29 pm

Ever hear of chemical evolution? It's where Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Nitrogen ("CHON") evolved from their elemental forms into ever-more complex molecules, into amino acids, then into proteins, then into ever-more complex arrangements of proteins, and eventually into single-cellular life.



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13 Feb 2016, 8:48 pm

NewTime wrote:
The process of evolution started after life started. A common misconception about evolution is that it started life. Evolution did not start life. Life started evolution.
this is a strawman, evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis.



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14 Feb 2016, 2:28 am

Fugu wrote:
NewTime wrote:
The process of evolution started after life started. A common misconception about evolution is that it started life. Evolution did not start life. Life started evolution.
this is a strawman, evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis.



Genau!


The oldest living organisms *in the fossil record* are cyanobacteria(that green pondscum). All the evidence suggest that life on Earth began in the tidepools of volcanic islands that rose out of the primordial ocean and involved photocatalytic RNAs anchored to ZnS substrata.


Nucleotides are actually synthesized in extraterrestrial gas clouds and were brought to Earth via comets.



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14 Feb 2016, 3:46 am

NewTime wrote:
The process of evolution started after life started. A common misconception about evolution is that it started life. Evolution did not start life. Life started evolution.

I don't even know what this means.


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14 Feb 2016, 4:20 am

I think it's one of the many elaborate ways to say, "Science isn't all it's cracked up to be".


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14 Feb 2016, 4:35 am

Fugu wrote:
NewTime wrote:
The process of evolution started after life started. A common misconception about evolution is that it started life. Evolution did not start life. Life started evolution.
this is a strawman, evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis.


Exactly the process of life coming to be is called abiogenesis.

Evolution was never about life coming to be. It is something that confuses creationists.



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14 Feb 2016, 5:25 am

I think creationism makes no sense. I don't believe that there is any evidence to support it as a valid scientific theory.



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14 Feb 2016, 5:51 am

0_equals_true wrote:
... Evolution ... is something that confuses creationists.
Heck, facts confuse creationists!



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14 Feb 2016, 10:14 am

AR15000 wrote:
Fugu wrote:
NewTime wrote:
The process of evolution started after life started. A common misconception about evolution is that it started life. Evolution did not start life. Life started evolution.
this is a strawman, evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis.



Genau!


The oldest living organisms *in the fossil record* are cyanobacteria(that green pondscum). All the evidence suggest that life on Earth began in the tidepools of volcanic islands that rose out of the primordial ocean and involved photocatalytic RNAs anchored to ZnS substrata.


Nucleotides are actually synthesized in extraterrestrial gas clouds and were brought to Earth via comets.
that's nice. abiogenesis still has nothing to do with evolution, and vice versa.



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14 Feb 2016, 10:17 am

Nothing makes sense since something came from nothing at one point which is not possible, there is no way to know the secrets of the universe so there is no reason to feel to strongly about it one way or another.



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14 Feb 2016, 11:17 am

What do you mean by "something came from nothing"? There's nothing more "nonsensical" about the Big Bang than there is about the fact that, on the Earth's surface, you can always find more surface, with well-defined longitude and latitude, by going north, except if you're already at the North Pole. At the North Pole, all directions are south; at the Big Bang, all directions are future.


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14 Feb 2016, 1:09 pm

Something came from nothing or how did existence come into existing? Why are there forces that do anything? What set everything in motion? There is no comprehensible explanation, I understand the big bang theory but it does not explain to me beyond since you can always ask what came before. It's not knowledge we are meant to know since it is impossible to know, I think it is silly to have strong feelings either way.



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14 Feb 2016, 2:24 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Something came from nothing or how did existence come into existing?


We don't know. Anyone who claims otherwise is a charlatan and should be studiously ignored.



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14 Feb 2016, 2:44 pm

Fnord wrote:
Ever hear of chemical evolution? It's where Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Nitrogen ("CHON") evolved from their elemental forms into ever-more complex molecules, into amino acids, then into proteins, then into ever-more complex arrangements of proteins, and eventually into single-cellular life.


That's actually called abiogenesis, not evolution. Strictly speaking, when we talk about evolution, we are generally talking about biological evolution.



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14 Feb 2016, 3:15 pm

Jono wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Ever hear of chemical evolution? It's where Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Nitrogen ("CHON") evolved from their elemental forms into ever-more complex molecules, into amino acids, then into proteins, then into ever-more complex arrangements of proteins, and eventually into single-cellular life.
That's actually called abiogenesis, not evolution. Strictly speaking, when we talk about evolution, we are generally talking about biological evolution.
Yes, strictly speaking ... and the end result is the same - Life arose from CHON.

(Edited for spell-check error.)



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