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13 Feb 2016, 7:45 pm

I am sometimes ashamed to be an American. I have native American ancestors even though I look Caucasian. America needs to worry about itself first before we worry about other countries.


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13 Feb 2016, 7:59 pm

I completely agree!


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13 Feb 2016, 8:30 pm

Can't load the video. Please cite the source, and summarize. A transcript of the text would be helpful, as well.



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13 Feb 2016, 8:42 pm

Fnord wrote:
Can't load the video. Please cite the source, and summarize. A transcript of the text would be helpful, as well.


It's from "Medhi Hasan goes head to head with Michael T Flynn"

Does this one work? If not, I will search for you when I get the time.


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13 Feb 2016, 9:58 pm

Michael T. Flynn: Retired United States Army lieutenant general. Served as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, commander of the Joint Functional Component Command for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance, and chair of the Military Intelligence Board from July 24, 2012, to August 2, 2014. Knows what he's talking about.

Mehdi Hasan: British political journalist, broadcaster and author. Regular contributor to The Guardian, which regularly publishes "America Bashing" articles.

Don't bother linking to anything on my behalf. I won't be reading or viewing it.



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13 Feb 2016, 10:11 pm

Fnord wrote:
Michael T. Flynn: Retired United States Army lieutenant general. Served as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, commander of the Joint Functional Component Command for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance, and chair of the Military Intelligence Board from July 24, 2012, to August 2, 2014. Knows what he's talking about.

Mehdi Hasan: British political journalist, broadcaster and author. Regular contributor to The Guardian, which regularly publishes "America Bashing" articles.

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LOL, please watch the video first then. As Flynn clearly states in the video that he has no idea why the government ignored his information that the US would be funding terrorist groups.


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13 Feb 2016, 10:32 pm

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The Mujahideen were created, financed and armed by the Carter and Reagan administrations to oppose the former Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan. The Mujahideen morphed into the Taliban and was opposed by the Reagan and Bush administrations for its brutal regime in Afghanistan. The Taliban morphed into al-Qaeda and was opposed by the Bush, Clinton and Bush administrations for its exportation of terrorism to other nations (see 9/11). Al-Qaeda morphed into al-Qaeda in Libya (AQL) and neighboring nations including Egypt during its Arab Spring, and was financed and armed by the Bush and Obama administrations. AQL et al. morphed into the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL a.k.a. ISIS) which was supported or opposed by the Obama administration for differeing reasons at differing times and places. Since 2011, the governments of the United States, the United Kingdom, Israel and Saudi Arabia have been implicated by various parties including Hillary Clinton and, more recently, Vladimir Putin who have admitted that the groups were created by interests other than the obvious ones. The U.S. government has created its puppets which, at a moment's notice, are changed from enemy to ally and back again. Meanwhile, nobody admits talking about the elephant in the room.

So, how much truth is there behind the classic Nineteen Eighty-Four quote: "We've always been at war with Eastasia"?


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13 Feb 2016, 10:40 pm

It never changes. Military-industrial interests are way to shortsighted to actually care where their investments go. Funding Israel = funding ISIS.


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13 Feb 2016, 10:42 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:

The Mujahideen were created, financed and armed by the Carter and Reagan administrations to oppose the former Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan. The Mujahideen morphed into the Taliban and was opposed by the Reagan and Bush administrations for its brutal regime in Afghanistan. The Taliban morphed into al-Qaeda and was opposed by the Bush, Clinton and Bush administrations for its exportation of terrorism to other nations (see 9/11). Al-Qaeda morphed into al-Qaeda in Libya (AQL) and neighboring nations including Egypt during its Arab Spring, and was financed and armed by the Bush and Obama administrations. AQL et al. morphed into the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL a.k.a. ISIS) which was supported or opposed by the Obama administration for differeing reasons at differing times and places. Since 2011, the governments of the United States, the United Kingdom, Israel and Saudi Arabia have been implicated by various parties including Hillary Clinton and, more recently, Vladimir Putin who have admitted that the groups were created by interests other than the obvious ones. The U.S. government has created its puppets which, at a moment's notice, are changed from enemy to ally and back again. Meanwhile, nobody admits talking about the elephant in the room.

So, how much truth is there behind the classic Nineteen Eighty-Four quote: "We've always been at war with Eastasia"?



Right!

" Nineteen Eighty-Four" That's the next book on my list. I just finished "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley, have you read that?


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13 Feb 2016, 10:45 pm

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It never changes. Military-industrial interests are way to shortsighted to actually care where their investments go. Funding Israel = funding ISIS.


Do you find it hard not to laugh or cry when you see people who actually believe the US do these things with good intentions?


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13 Feb 2016, 10:57 pm

I find such views impossible to stomach & I'm somewhat known for my iron stomach. I find it hard to tell them anything at all.


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14 Feb 2016, 7:50 am

I understand.


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14 Feb 2016, 10:28 am

The US is the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the history of the world, we have no business sticking ourselves in the civil wars of other countries and we certainly shouldn't start them. We need to get the hell out of the Middle East all together, this is the beginnings of a world war.



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14 Feb 2016, 4:02 pm

Jacoby wrote:
The US is the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the history of the world, we have no business sticking ourselves in the civil wars of other countries and we certainly shouldn't start them. We need to get the hell out of the Middle East all together, this is the beginnings of a world war.


A frightening thought, certainly. But without the U.S., China, India or Russia interested, how is this to happen?

Actually the methods now in use such as local conflicts in the Ukraine, Somalia, Malaysia, seem not to spill over into world involving situations. Why would this be different? I'm interested in what you've deduced.



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14 Feb 2016, 4:26 pm

ZenDen wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The US is the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the history of the world, we have no business sticking ourselves in the civil wars of other countries and we certainly shouldn't start them. We need to get the hell out of the Middle East all together, this is the beginnings of a world war.


A frightening thought, certainly. But without the U.S., China, India or Russia interested, how is this to happen?

Actually the methods now in use such as local conflicts in the Ukraine, Somalia, Malaysia, seem not to spill over into world involving situations. Why would this be different? I'm interested in what you've deduced.


The problem is it seems that this conflict is spilling over, the neoconservatives and our supposed allies want to go head first directly against the Russians and the Iranians. The Turks and Saudis want to wage sectarian against the Shia crescent, they both want to build pipelines thru that very area. The Turks and Saudis don't want to deal with a powerful unified Kurdish state, they seem like they'd be better ally than either of them. We need more secularism in the middle east wherever we can get it.