Christians, What is the Formula of your Discovery?

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28 Apr 2007, 5:28 am

I want to know that formula a Christian uses to decide that teaching Christianity is the truth of the universe opposed to other religion.

The formula must be universal and not relative. And this formula must not explain Christianity at all but lead to it.

For example if I was looking for a formula to find a car perfect for me, it would be cheep running costs, cheep initial cost, easy to maintain, big enough for car boot sale, cheep insurance bracket, looks respectable. Based on that criteria, would lead me to by a Ford Escort every time.

What is the formula that would lead me to Christianity? Don’t sell me Christianity sell me the formula.

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28 Apr 2007, 5:45 am

People usually have the same major religion their parents have. So the formula is be the offspring of Christian parents.

My parents would call themselves Christians I guess but they rarely went to church when I was a child and never now so its no surprise I'm an atheist.

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28 Apr 2007, 6:18 am

Believing in the same religion as one parents is not a valid formula as that religion could be anything

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28 Apr 2007, 7:10 am

Why not? I think that a lot of people continue holding these beliefs out of respect for their parents. It's anti-intellectual, but it's perfectly human.

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28 Apr 2007, 12:11 pm

i dont think you can prove any religion dude, as most of them are based of beliefs. me personally i like native americans religion, as it is mostly natural.

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29 Apr 2007, 10:37 am

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Aspie_Chav, your thinking too much like me on that one :lol:

. If your trying to go back to your roots in hopes of finding some hope or comfort for your existence in general and actually want to find a way to validate it against the reality you know from being an aspie or the reality you know from analyzing things as far as you have - forget finding that in the regular King James or NIV bible, really don't think you'll find it in much of any other religion. On the other hand you may find some things in the Nag Hamadi as far as Valentinian texts where if you steal the 200 AD style writing and language from it and really focus on what its saying it gives a much better road map with much better detail as far as something you may be able to reconcile to the reality you know. Trouble is, it all really feels like wishful thinking to me anymore no matter what it is - every religion, every creed, really depressing but so far for me all too true.

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29 Apr 2007, 11:57 am

What usually leads someone not raised in a christian home to become a christian is a realization that true happiness cannot be found in anything this world has to offer, things break, get stolen, go out of style etc., and people will always fail you at some time or another. Various things could cause someone to make the initial decision to become a christian but once they do they realize that void in their life they've consciously or unconsciously been trying to fill is suddenly gone.

It is nearly impossible to describe the reasons why christians know God exisists to people who either don't want to hear it or haven't experienced it themselves. Christianity is also the only religion in the world that offers salvation FREE all you have to do is ASK in other religions you have to work towards the ultimate goal. As christians we are still called to be a light to the world and strive to be christ-like so others may see him in us. Granted we aren't always good at it but it's something we try to aim for.

Sorry if this isn't "scientific" enough for you but the reason for christianity is deeply SPRITUAL and science simply can't explain that. If you want to talk science I dare you to get me started on Creation vs. Evolution...

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29 Apr 2007, 12:05 pm

KRIZDA88 wrote:

I think they did a study and they found something of a faith gene, something that makes some people far more capable of making this leap than others. Unfortunately, as how I'm built, if I can't rule out that its just wishful thinking I'll be even more depressed trying to bury myself in that reality of my subconscious thinks its an illusion rather than just feeling like there's no hope in this world for much of anything and nonexistence awaiting us when we die. In other words if you can do that consider yourself lucky.

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29 Apr 2007, 12:19 pm

i think it requires just as much faith to believe we are here for no reason or purpose and we are just an accident of nature. To believe something as iccredibly complex as DNA formed randomly out of a chemical soup requires a heck of a lot of wishful thinking. The odds of a single amino acid forming without instruction is mathmatically impossible let alone having that amino acid bond with other amino acids in the correct sequence to produce a protien that is of any use is more impossible still! It's like a volcanoe errupting and forming an ancient greek city out of the ash and debrees. Science however does not want to admit that such things must have been created becasue that would mean there is a creator that they are accountable to...

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29 Apr 2007, 12:51 pm

Again, consider yourself lucky that you can be satisfied with that.

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29 Apr 2007, 2:47 pm

KRIZDA88 wrote:

Cough, egotisitical cough. Actually the odds of life are quite good, we are only one of eight planets in the solar system, we are only one of billions of star systems in the galaxy, and we are only one of trillions of galaxys. And the universe has been here for six billion years to boot. And quit using false logic, if life didnt happen here it would have happened somewhere else. Get your head out of your ass, and start thinking on a greater scale, you monkey's uncle!

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29 Apr 2007, 2:54 pm

KRIZDA88 wrote:

i think it requires just as much faith to believe we are here for no reason or purpose and we are just an accident of nature.

There are no accidents in nature, save for the chances of a quantum die cast.

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To believe something as iccredibly complex as DNA formed randomly out of a chemical soup requires a heck of a lot of wishful thinking.

No, just a very deep understanding of scientific theory as well as the understanding that there are many factors that cannot be known or measured. Besides, there is some argument that life would have been inevitable under the conditions of the planet prior to the origin of life.

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The odds of a single amino acid forming without instruction is mathmatically impossible let alone having that amino acid bond with other amino acids in the correct sequence to produce a protien that is of any use is more impossible still!

You're the one saying it's impossible. See if you can prove it, buddy. We're just saying that these molecules somehow got from Point A to Point B, attested by the fact that we are present. We're exploring a variety of plausible possibilities as to how, and nothing is really off the table. Whether you're mature enough to realize it or not, scientists actually do admit the possibility of intentional seeding, but it doesn't give them anything to study. Examining the behavior of base molecules, however, is quite at their disposal, so this is what they end up doing the most writing on.

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It's like a volcanoe errupting and forming an ancient greek city out of the ash and debrees.

Under the right pre-existing conditions, this may be a possibility.

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Science however does not want to admit that such things must have been created becasue that would mean there is a creator that they are accountable to...

Most scientists are actually Christian, including many of those who are intensely interested in how base molecules might have developed into life. Get serious, man.

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29 Apr 2007, 3:40 pm

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Most scientists are actually Christian

LOL

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29 Apr 2007, 3:47 pm

Sill looking for the formula. Why Christianity and not Islam, Buddhism or the other 100 plus religions out there.

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29 Apr 2007, 3:57 pm

I've studied this subject for years, and don't several research papers on it. The size of the universe as a whole doesn't anwer the questoin of life here. I bet you'd say under the right cercumstances a tornado could sweep thourgh a junk yard and assemble and perfect 747 too. IT IS MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. What part of that don't you understand? For people who put so much trust in the empirical you sure are choosey about which empirical facts you believe. Even my ardent evolutionist geology proffessor (degree from harvard) admitted that science can't explain the existence of DNA. You guys are the wishful thinkers not me.

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29 Apr 2007, 4:08 pm

Kosmonaut wrote:

Griff wrote:

Most scientists are actually Christian

LOL

Okay, then a large proportion of them:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A961958260

And most of the remainder have some notion or other of a creative entity, though I don't know how many of them actually follow with the concept of "Spinoza's God." You can't quite expect a person with a scientist's training to conceive of the same type of religion as is predominant in the remainder of the culture. However, you'd be surprised at how uncommon it is for a scientist to profess even agnosticism, and even they look upon outspoken atheists as being too confrontational even if, at heart, they tend toward the same views.

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