Diversity destroys social cohesion in the West

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06 May 2016, 5:52 am

Time for another hit thread. Black Pigeon once more:



War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Diversity is Strength.


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06 May 2016, 7:38 am

The greatest strength of diversity is that it helps us make wiser decisions.

It's the same argument that ASD advocates, like Temple Grandin use.

In her speeches, she often says, "We need autistics, because they see the details".



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06 May 2016, 7:45 am

We need diversity. It's the wave of the future.


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06 May 2016, 10:50 am

Diversity is good if said diversity is meritocratic. What is of benefit to all rises to the top and what is detrimental is discarded.

Diversity for diversity's sake is bad. If you want to take from the table you need to bring something to the table. And you don't get to demand that certain things on the table have to stop being there if you're the only one who wants them gone.



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06 May 2016, 11:18 am

Diversity is a completely unnecessary facet of any culture.
A cohesive culture strengthens any nation, whether it be like the USSR, or the US.
If diversity is prevalent in a nation while being completely cohesive as a culture,
it is only a testament to its union.
But when diversity is high and cultural cohesion is low, chaos will ensue.


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06 May 2016, 1:44 pm

It is more a case of integration and values.

What matter is if the person or group hold values that are conducing with our democratic nation, basic rights and freedoms.

The cultural identity argument has weaknesses as quite a lot of our culture changes constantly and away has. Culture is not fixed.

Most of the ultra-nationalist positions, tend attribute mythical cultural origin, folklore. The actual history of culture is something altogether different.



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06 May 2016, 1:51 pm

'Diverse Social Cohesion' is an obvious oxymoron IMO

Right from the get go in the video there is, however, an innate assumption that then says 'Diversity is strength'. Strength is not social cohesion though.


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06 May 2016, 2:09 pm

Hmm... Wasn't this the same argument used in favor of the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy in the US military?



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06 May 2016, 6:20 pm

I've been thinking about the video. I don't actually know what it's like to live in a strong culture. Say for instance Japan. You get a lot of individual freedom in the West which I very much appreciate, but I can't know first hand what it's like. There is no real unity. I don't feel a part of anything. I have sometimes wished there was some common ground, that we all felt like we were part of something, if even just a little, that we can be proud of our culture and distinctiveness, but it's rare for it to happen. I am a non-conformist though, so I don't know if I'd just resent the pressure of a culture trying to make me a certain way. But lately I seem to just be more and more horrified with how people, especially the new generation, seem to want to either throw away themselves or just not put up much of a fight for things that should be keystones of Western culture. Freedom of speech should be something everyone in the West would fight tooth and nail to keep, yet some of us actually want to throw it away like garbage! Our universities and colleges should be the pinnacle of higher learning yet they're turning into a joke, into a vehicle for idealogues to spread propaganda. Safe spaces and no platforming and no free speech and walking on eggshells, you can't temper steel without fire! Our tried and tested values are being given up with minimal resistance. Things like meritocracy and actual equality, not the SJW version of it. There is a culture in the West, but we never get to express pride in it. We never get to be shown and taught to appreciate it. The vast majority of the time I don't feel like I'm part of a culture. Japan is surely the strongest advanced culture. Even the crime syndicates help out in time of national emergency. Wholeheartedly, not some token gesture to look good. Anywhere else they'd take advantage of the situation.



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06 May 2016, 6:33 pm

Drake wrote:
But lately I seem to just be more and more horrified with how people, especially the new generation, seem to want to either throw away themselves or just not put up much of a fight for things that should be keystones of Western culture. Freedom of speech should be something everyone in the West would fight tooth and nail to keep, yet some of us actually want to throw it away like garbage!


If you want to understand how this came about, through ideological warfare, read this classic and very important essay by Eric Raymond called "Gramscian damage":

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=260


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06 May 2016, 9:21 pm

Darmok wrote:
Drake wrote:
But lately I seem to just be more and more horrified with how people, especially the new generation, seem to want to either throw away themselves or just not put up much of a fight for things that should be keystones of Western culture. Freedom of speech should be something everyone in the West would fight tooth and nail to keep, yet some of us actually want to throw it away like garbage!


If you want to understand how this came about, through ideological warfare, read this classic and very important essay by Eric Raymond called "Gramscian damage":

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=260


Oh my this thread is becoming too on-the-nose.


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07 May 2016, 5:35 am

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If you want to understand how this came about, through ideological warfare, read this classic and very important essay by Eric Raymond called "Gramscian damage":

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=260


It's a good one, though the author is more optimistic than I am about what's coming to the West.

The horror of our victory would echo for a thousand years.

Then again he did write this 10 years ago, when the Left still had an ounce of reason. Since then it's been seen that when the Left's policies are shown to be wrong, damaging and illogical they don't change their minds, they double down and tell us it didn't work because we didn't do enough. So they call for more immigration, more multiculturalism, more more more.


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07 May 2016, 9:36 am

Clearly this thread should join forces with the 'autism is mankind's next evolution' threads as autistics probably don't need social cohesion to function properly as a society. /sarcasm


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07 May 2016, 9:47 am

GGPViper wrote:
Hmm... Wasn't this the same argument used in favor of the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy in the US military?
Yes it was, and that policy has since ended. "Diversity Destroys Social Cohesion" is also the basis of the Nationalist political movement.

You know, the one that says that immigrants should go back where they came from, that a large group of people (such as people who share the same culture, history, language, etc.) should to form a separate and independent nation of their own, that one language is the official language, and that one race is the Master Race that all other races should bow down to and obey.



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07 May 2016, 10:04 am

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and that one race is the Master Race that all other races should bow down to and obey.


That's a silly slur. To recognise that humans groups inevitably end up fighting each other when forced to live in close proximity does not necessarily lead down the Master Race road.


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07 May 2016, 12:13 pm

Mikah wrote:
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... and that one race is the Master Race that all other races should bow down to and obey.
That's a silly slur...
No, that's Nationalism - the anti-diversity movement.