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06 May 2016, 2:57 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susana_Martinez

This is Susana Martinez, the highly popular governor of New Mexico. She has managed to have widespread appeal, despite being a Republican in a Democratic-leaning state. She is also a Latina, which could appeal to two groups the GOP has struggled to reach out to. She has no theocratic intentions, and has implemented fiscally sound policies.


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07 May 2016, 6:55 pm

There's always 2020...too much crazy this time, anyway. I think both major parties will want a little more rationality in the entire race next time around.


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07 May 2016, 11:56 pm

Martinez sounds like a far better choice than Trump or Cruz, or most of the other GOP candidates. But would a Mexican American woman have found significant enough support in Donald Trump's GOP?


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08 May 2016, 7:00 am

Makes sense to me.

Maybe she will run in 2020.



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08 May 2016, 8:36 am

The party members had thier choice and they overwhemingly and enthusiastically chose Trump.


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09 May 2016, 3:32 pm

Some GOP members still refuse to support The Rump.

Perhaps Martinez could end up on The Rump's ticket?


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10 May 2016, 10:14 am

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Some GOP members still refuse to support The Rump.

Perhaps Martinez could end up on The Rump's ticket?


Was thinking that as well. That Trump could pick her as a running mate.

On the plus side (from Trump's pov) that would diffuse a lot of the criticism he's getting, and would appeal to groups he has already alienated (women, Hispanics).

But on the flip side that move would kinda defeat the whole reason for his candidacy, and would alienate some of his base of angry White xenophobic males. So it could be a double edged sword, and a gamble.



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10 May 2016, 10:22 am

She didn't run nor would she have came close to winning, choosing who you want to be president should involve a lot more than who fits your preferred demographic whatever the reason for it may be. That's why they all chalked up Marco Rubio is the favorite to be the nominee, it's not because of his biting policy proposals or commitment to 'constitutional government' but because he was a young, good looking, Hispanic from Florida.

Now trust me, the Democratic VP(spoiler: Julian Castro) is the epitome of demographic pandering but what is even scarier is that they've been grooming this guy for years.



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10 May 2016, 10:37 am

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She didn't run nor would she have came close to winning, choosing who you want to be president should involve a lot more than who fits your preferred demographic whatever the reason for it may be. That's why they all chalked up Marco Rubio is the favorite to be the nominee, it's not because of his biting policy proposals or commitment to 'constitutional government' but because he was a young, good looking, Hispanic from Florida.

Now trust me, the Democratic VP(spoiler: Julian Castro) is the epitome of demographic pandering but what is even scarier is that they've been grooming this guy for years.


Why is it wrong or scary to look ahead strategically?


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10 May 2016, 10:40 am

I don't like my politicians prepackaged bought and paid for



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10 May 2016, 10:56 am

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I don't like my politicians prepackaged bought and paid for




The alternative could be the rise of an unpredictable lunatic, as has happened in the GOP this time around.


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10 May 2016, 11:10 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I don't like my politicians prepackaged bought and paid for




The alternative could be the rise of an unpredictable lunatic, as has happened in the GOP this time around.


How many unpredictable lunatics become worth $10 billion dollars? An unpredictable lunatic go lives off in rural Vermont being a bum until they finally get their first job at age 40 like a certain beloved senator, an unpredictable lunatic is someone that control their penis around young vulnerable women like Bill Clinton and Clintonista Anthony WEINER!

Trump wins on trade, he wins on foreign policy, he wins on immigration, he's a social moderate and definitely not a bible thumper, the guy wrote the Art of the Deal and I don't think he's coming to Washington to do nothing or run this country into the ground. Trump is a highly competent businessman and CEO, he's a powerful person that knows how to command a room and will not apologize for advocating what is best for American FIRST! No more free rides, no more alliances that serve the US no purpose other than a giant money pit. I wish Trump would go further and start talking about withdrawing from the UN and removing its headquarters from NYC.



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10 May 2016, 11:37 am

Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I don't like my politicians prepackaged bought and paid for




The alternative could be the rise of an unpredictable lunatic, as has happened in the GOP this time around.


How many unpredictable lunatics become worth $10 billion dollars? An unpredictable lunatic go lives off in rural Vermont being a bum until they finally get their first job at age 40 like a certain beloved senator, an unpredictable lunatic is someone that control their penis around young vulnerable women like Bill Clinton and Clintonista Anthony WEINER!

Trump wins on trade, he wins on foreign policy, he wins on immigration, he's a social moderate and definitely not a bible thumper, the guy wrote the Art of the Deal and I don't think he's coming to Washington to do nothing or run this country into the ground. Trump is a highly competent businessman and CEO, he's a powerful person that knows how to command a room and will not apologize for advocating what is best for American FIRST! No more free rides, no more alliances that serve the US no purpose other than a giant money pit. I wish Trump would go further and start talking about withdrawing from the UN and removing its headquarters from NYC.


And yet, he appeals to people's fear of terrorism, and being swamped by Spanish speaking brown immigrants. He spews crazy talk about building an impossible wall (which would cross countless private properties), mass deportations, and banning a whole religion from coming to the country till we understand why the hate us (which would be never, as that kind of hatred is irrational). He well knows his xenophobia attracts domestic racist terrorists like David Duke and the KKK, as well as Alt Right nutcases such as The Daily Stormer , who feed fringe racist fanatics. And yet, he privately assures the GOP's leadership that he doesn't really believe any of this, saying he is only appealing to the "rubes." If true, Trump holds his supporters in contempt, seeing them as only a stepping stone to be used, then tossed away.


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10 May 2016, 12:18 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I don't like my politicians prepackaged bought and paid for




The alternative could be the rise of an unpredictable lunatic, as has happened in the GOP this time around.


How many unpredictable lunatics become worth $10 billion dollars? An unpredictable lunatic go lives off in rural Vermont being a bum until they finally get their first job at age 40 like a certain beloved senator, an unpredictable lunatic is someone that control their penis around young vulnerable women like Bill Clinton and Clintonista Anthony WEINER!

Trump wins on trade, he wins on foreign policy, he wins on immigration, he's a social moderate and definitely not a bible thumper, the guy wrote the Art of the Deal and I don't think he's coming to Washington to do nothing or run this country into the ground. Trump is a highly competent businessman and CEO, he's a powerful person that knows how to command a room and will not apologize for advocating what is best for American FIRST! No more free rides, no more alliances that serve the US no purpose other than a giant money pit. I wish Trump would go further and start talking about withdrawing from the UN and removing its headquarters from NYC.


And yet, he appeals to people's fear of terrorism, and being swamped by Spanish speaking brown immigrants. He spews crazy talk about building an impossible wall (which would cross countless private properties), mass deportations, and banning a whole religion from coming to the country till we understand why the hate us (which would be never, as that kind of hatred is irrational). He well knows his xenophobia attracts domestic racist terrorists like David Duke and the KKK, as well as Alt Right nutcases such as The Daily Stormer , who feed fringe racist fanatics. And yet, he privately assures the GOP's leadership that he doesn't really believe any of this, saying he is only appealing to the "rubes." If true, Trump holds his supporters in contempt, seeing them as only a stepping stone to be used, then tossed away.


Trump has been consistent in his beliefs for 30 years, look up the videos if you don't believe me. Trump is against these trade deals, he's against these nation building/humanitarian/wars for democracy that we've been bogged down in for decades. What is racist about wanting illegal immigrants to go home? They do not belong here, we're not better off and we shouldn't allow business in this country to exploit these people and you might say go after the companies but you can't because everyone thinks they're too big and can get away with doing whatever the hell they want and they're probably right so you have to turn off the spigot of illegal immigration in this country and we need to secure our border as we've been promised would be done for decades now too.

It's a zero sum game, the Democratic Party has abandoned the working class and those already trapped in poverty for this new shiny valuable demographic and the big money of Wall Street who wants to keep the labor pool bloated and wages low, this new regressive "progressive' left and identity politics has destroyed the Democratic party. How is 'free college' any bit realistic? How is the $21 trillion in taxes Bernie Sanders wants to raise realistic?

This is an election, we all realize this but to harp on someone else's 'unrealistic' plan is totally laughable. It is FAR more feasible to secure our southern border and deal with this immigration problem than it is to invade countries on the other side of the world and be forced to protect their borders. The trade deficit is a big issue, Trump is really the only one speaking about this and if the trade deficit is so high then I don't see why it is wrong to tax them accordingly but we all have to give the government a piece of our check? We're rich, we have to most powerful military in the history of the world, we don't need to be dealing with the problems of the world when our country is dying in front of our eyes. Not unless we get paid handsomely, no more pro bono military alliances with leaches.

Trump's 'Muslim declaration' was temporary and came from the fact that the Director of the FBI James Comey said that the US did not have the capability to vet these refugees which they wanted to send here by the the hundreds of thousands just like Europe. It is our right to decide our immigration policies, it is our right to decide who can and can't enter our country and this has been held up by the Supreme Court. Now I think 'all Muslims' is too broad, I don't think of it as a serious policy proposal but rather an idea. Quick question, should Saudi Arabia or anywhere else for the matter be allowed to fund and erect an extremist Wahhabi mosques in this country? It's a bad situation that can be best rectified on our end by not inviting millions of these people that potentially hate us into our countries when 1)a good portion of them are simply economic migrants and 2)there are very VERY rich Muslim Arab countries to their east with a whole lot of open space that expect us to protect them and do their bidding in this war but they're too selfish and too big of cowards to take their own people in. Do they love thy neighbor in Islam?

Who cares about Trump's unsavory supporters? Obama has plenty too, guilt by association and not even a real association doesn't pass the smell test to me. Like who cares what David Duke says? If David Duke is a fan of Game of Thrones does that say anything about Game of Thrones?



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10 May 2016, 3:37 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I don't like my politicians prepackaged bought and paid for




The alternative could be the rise of an unpredictable lunatic, as has happened in the GOP this time around.


How many unpredictable lunatics become worth $10 billion dollars? An unpredictable lunatic go lives off in rural Vermont being a bum until they finally get their first job at age 40 like a certain beloved senator, an unpredictable lunatic is someone that control their penis around young vulnerable women like Bill Clinton and Clintonista Anthony WEINER!

Trump wins on trade, he wins on foreign policy, he wins on immigration, he's a social moderate and definitely not a bible thumper, the guy wrote the Art of the Deal and I don't think he's coming to Washington to do nothing or run this country into the ground. Trump is a highly competent businessman and CEO, he's a powerful person that knows how to command a room and will not apologize for advocating what is best for American FIRST! No more free rides, no more alliances that serve the US no purpose other than a giant money pit. I wish Trump would go further and start talking about withdrawing from the UN and removing its headquarters from NYC.


And yet, he appeals to people's fear of terrorism, and being swamped by Spanish speaking brown immigrants. He spews crazy talk about building an impossible wall (which would cross countless private properties), mass deportations, and banning a whole religion from coming to the country till we understand why the hate us (which would be never, as that kind of hatred is irrational). He well knows his xenophobia attracts domestic racist terrorists like David Duke and the KKK, as well as Alt Right nutcases such as The Daily Stormer , who feed fringe racist fanatics. And yet, he privately assures the GOP's leadership that he doesn't really believe any of this, saying he is only appealing to the "rubes." If true, Trump holds his supporters in contempt, seeing them as only a stepping stone to be used, then tossed away.


Trump has been consistent in his beliefs for 30 years, look up the videos if you don't believe me. Trump is against these trade deals, he's against these nation building/humanitarian/wars for democracy that we've been bogged down in for decades. What is racist about wanting illegal immigrants to go home? They do not belong here, we're not better off and we shouldn't allow business in this country to exploit these people and you might say go after the companies but you can't because everyone thinks they're too big and can get away with doing whatever the hell they want and they're probably right so you have to turn off the spigot of illegal immigration in this country and we need to secure our border as we've been promised would be done for decades now too.

It's a zero sum game, the Democratic Party has abandoned the working class and those already trapped in poverty for this new shiny valuable demographic and the big money of Wall Street who wants to keep the labor pool bloated and wages low, this new regressive "progressive' left and identity politics has destroyed the Democratic party. How is 'free college' any bit realistic? How is the $21 trillion in taxes Bernie Sanders wants to raise realistic?

This is an election, we all realize this but to harp on someone else's 'unrealistic' plan is totally laughable. It is FAR more feasible to secure our southern border and deal with this immigration problem than it is to invade countries on the other side of the world and be forced to protect their borders. The trade deficit is a big issue, Trump is really the only one speaking about this and if the trade deficit is so high then I don't see why it is wrong to tax them accordingly but we all have to give the government a piece of our check? We're rich, we have to most powerful military in the history of the world, we don't need to be dealing with the problems of the world when our country is dying in front of our eyes. Not unless we get paid handsomely, no more pro bono military alliances with leaches.

Trump's 'Muslim declaration' was temporary and came from the fact that the Director of the FBI James Comey said that the US did not have the capability to vet these refugees which they wanted to send here by the the hundreds of thousands just like Europe. It is our right to decide our immigration policies, it is our right to decide who can and can't enter our country and this has been held up by the Supreme Court. Now I think 'all Muslims' is too broad, I don't think of it as a serious policy proposal but rather an idea. Quick question, should Saudi Arabia or anywhere else for the matter be allowed to fund and erect an extremist Wahhabi mosques in this country? It's a bad situation that can be best rectified on our end by not inviting millions of these people that potentially hate us into our countries when 1)a good portion of them are simply economic migrants and 2)there are very VERY rich Muslim Arab countries to their east with a whole lot of open space that expect us to protect them and do their bidding in this war but they're too selfish and too big of cowards to take their own people in. Do they love thy neighbor in Islam?

Who cares about Trump's unsavory supporters? Obama has plenty too, guilt by association and not even a real association doesn't pass the smell test to me. Like who cares what David Duke says? If David Duke is a fan of Game of Thrones does that say anything about Game of Thrones?


Sure, both the Republican and Democratic parties have sold out the working class and the poor. Though I think with support for organized labor and workers rights, as well as for the social safety net, the Democrats are still doing more good than the Republicans, who still hold to the failed trickle down economics of Reagan.
As for illegals - they and their children can and will be Americans. They pay more in taxes than they get back in benefits, and do jobs Americans don't want to do, and actually commit less crime than the native born. That, and illegal immigration has fallen off to almost zero. The economic threat posed by Mexican illegals is more fanciful than actual, and is in fact more based on racial animosity.
And it hardly matters if Islam has the belief of love your neighbor, as plenty of Muslims do anyhow, and they greatly outnumber the fanatics responsible for death and destruction. Racism is a very real reason for desiring to turn away Muslim refugees. What has always made Americans special was our humanity in offering a safe port for the persecuted and downtrodden, and that's the America I believe in.
Trump's fan club of racist fanatics are drawn to him, like moths to a light, because they can read the coded racist messages he spouts in his messages. Personally, I doubt if Trump is the racist he sounds like, but he certainly knows how to appeal to such persons in order to climb to the top on their backs.


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10 May 2016, 6:40 pm

If Trump has his way we will end up in a recession. He will also do nothing to reduce debt.