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Jacob_Landshire
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02 May 2007, 11:09 am

KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov discusses the subversion of American society and culture. He concludes that Americans have been so thoroughly brainwashed that presenting evidence and logic is not enough for them to accept reality.

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...he will refuse to believe it until he is going to receive a kick in his fat bottom. When the military boot crashes his bottom, then he will understand, but not before that. That is the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.


I don’t know about the KGB being the initiator of this, but I believe his overall assessment is accurate.

Yuri Bezmenov On Demoralization
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE8MCSu_K-A[/youtube]


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02 May 2007, 11:31 am

Exactly, this is why nobody can come to sensible conclusions anymore, and even when you clearly point out their flaws they refuse to recognize them. We live in a society where Americans are 90% of the time either pc fanatics or jesus freaks, and all other labels fall under 1 of those 2 banners. America IS a brainwashed nation.



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02 May 2007, 1:53 pm

Not concerned at all. The signs of the soviet demoralization is minimal, in fact, considering that America is significantly more patriotic and less left-wing than other nations, it would really seem that Europe is more demoralized than we are. Really, this seems more like an argument that the evil liberal bias in media is real etc etc.

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Exactly, this is why nobody can come to sensible conclusions anymore, and even when you clearly point out their flaws they refuse to recognize them. We live in a society where Americans are 90% of the time either pc fanatics or jesus freaks, and all other labels fall under 1 of those 2 banners. America IS a brainwashed nation.

Hmmm..... less than 10% of all people I meet really fit into an irrational version of those categories. Either you are too sensitive to the ideas of others or you simply have very little idea of what is going on. America is quite solidly purple, we are not divided into separate camps and we have more in common within our nation than outside of it. I think that most people do have sensible conclusions based upon their knowledge though, however, ideology has existed for years and all you describe is ideology. Really though, if you even look at it, your conclusions are not the sensible conclusions that all reasonable people would come to. Given that no Bush dictatorship has occurred and that one does not look likely I tend to distrust your view on the nation.



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02 May 2007, 2:40 pm

I would just like to say that America has been militarily active against Afghanistan over half a decade probably only 5-10 percent of Americans could point out Afghanistan on an unlabeled map. However, probably upwards of 80% of Americans could tell you who won the latest American Idol. We are a desensitized, apathetic, and brainwashed nation. Americans are too afraid and too stupid to accept reality. America contributes to over half the CO2 in the atmosphere because there are so many hillbillies who refuse to stop driving Hummers. It is difficult to get anything done in America via the democratic process because the "Bible Belt" has such power in numbers that their ignorance constantly seeps into the law and blots out common sense. The economy is slowly dying and right now it's at the point where if you're an American kid and you're not incredibly smart, you won't see college without serving in the armed forces first. If I didn't have the aspie brain I'd be in basic training right now because there are virtually no jobs around here. Most of the "baby boomer" generation have absolutely no idea how to raise their kids, so crime rates escalate, graduation rates plummet, and homelessness and drug use become common sights in lower and middle class cities. Meanwhile, the rich oil companies and their affiliates wallow in their own masturbatory self-indulgence as they bleed the earth dry. A class war would probably erupt if it weren't for the media-induced blindness of the lower castes.

Well, that's just my 2 cents.



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02 May 2007, 2:43 pm

I don't even need to watch it to know he's right. I've said it myself. I'm Canadian and it's creepy and scary living next door to a bunch of zombie-like, trigger-happy people. (No, I am not joking on any level.) I'm not saying ALL Americans are nuts, but as a whole they certainly are. It's a country drunk with power and high on itself.



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02 May 2007, 3:32 pm

State instituted ignorance must stop. All governments should be secularist. And the US could do with universal education through all stages and a state health service. Surely such a rich superpower can afford that. The UK also needs free university level education.
Ahh yes, to the point... the US media needs to be forced to educate people. Rupert Murdoch has such a dominion over media as well. News companies should be bound to the truth and penalised for bias. It's news, not entertainment!! !! !! !! !


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02 May 2007, 3:57 pm

what i find funny is that you morons are buying into USSR propaganda.



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02 May 2007, 4:04 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
in fact, considering that America is significantly more patriotic and less left-wing than other nations, it would really seem that Europe is more demoralized than we are.

Yes, this is correct. We need another Hitler to shut these left wing do-gooders up.
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02 May 2007, 4:04 pm

skafather84 wrote:
what i find funny is that you morons are buying into USSR propaganda.


Not true.


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02 May 2007, 4:06 pm

Anubis wrote:
Ahh yes, to the point... the US media needs to be forced to educate people. Rupert Murdoch has such a dominion over media as well. News companies should be bound to the truth and penalised for bias. It's news, not entertainment!! !! !! !! !




kinda like how venezuela is forcing the tv news outlets to preach only the truth according to hugo chavez?


no thanks.


government being involved in anything means a waste of money and them getting it almost entirely WRONG.



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02 May 2007, 4:10 pm

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02 May 2007, 4:25 pm

hahahaha, good picture!



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02 May 2007, 6:09 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
considering that America is significantly more patriotic and less left-wing than other nations
Umm...sure, man. Keep thinking that.

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it would really seem that Europe is more demoralized than we are.
Compared to Europe, we're a bunch of pinko commies. I haven't travelled outside of the US myself, admittedly, but I've known folk who have visited and lived in several parts of the EU, and they report to me a much different story from what you've been brainwashed to believe. The US is third world by comparison, freedom of speech here might as well not exist, taxation is sky high with supposedly conservative Poland and admittedly far-left France (which gives more for the money) being the only countries there with higher rates than us...dude, I don't know what brainwashing you've been subjected to, but you've been looking at your country through some seriously rose-colored glasses. The actual truth of the matter is that there is no longer any true right-wing in the US anymore. The Libertarian party is the right-wing in this country, dude, and nobody votes for them. Your ideals are so screwed, you don't even know it yet.



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02 May 2007, 6:36 pm

Griff wrote:
The Libertarian party is the right-wing in this country, dude, and nobody votes for them.





and to that extent, i'm proud to be right wing.



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02 May 2007, 6:41 pm

Disclaimer: Not ALL Americans can be accused of being brainwashed. I'd like to think I'm one of the dirty ones.

I am embarrassed to be American. It's one reason I moved to Hawaii - 3000 miles away from the continent and it's very different in a lot of ways, culturally for one thing.

I think one of the big problems is that most Americans are very closed-minded and resistant to change. There will never be a non-white president because the majority of Americans couldn't handle it.

Conservative = backwards, in my opinion.



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02 May 2007, 6:44 pm

aylissa wrote:
Conservative = backwards, in my opinion.



depends on whose definition of conservative you use. if you mean not wasting tax dollars on garbage programs that don't work...then i wholly and entirely disagree with you.


if you mean conservative in the sense of social traditionalists....then yes, they are very backwards.