Man turns dog into "nazi", gets arrested

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I noticed the talk about hate crimes in the feminist date thread. While I agree with having laws for actual crimes committed such as murder because someone was black being dealt with more severely, this IMO is an example of hate crime laws applied very wrongly indeed.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016 ... e-scotland

The video is still up if you want to have a look:

https://youtu.be/SYslEzHbpus

The dog has been trained to respond excitedly if asked if it wants to gas the Jews and to perform a nazi salute on command to the words sieg heil. The video has 24K thumbs up to 1K thumbs down.

I'm particularly interested in what our Jewish members think. Personally I would have thought it just highlights what a complete joke and irrelevance the nazis are in today's society. And that the joke is on the nazis if it's on anyone, not the Jews. And the guy basically says nazi was the worst thing he could think of, so we know he isn't one.

But hey, I do agree with his girlfriend. The dog is indeed cute. And I don't normally think this particular breed is. So I'd say he's failed in his mission to de-cute the dog.

Anybody who trains a dog to do a Nazi salute is an idiot, pure and simple, and probably should be locked up somewhere.

As long as the dog doesn't bite anybody, though, the dog's master did not do anything illegal in the US.

Unfortunately.

If the Nazis are not relevant to today's culture, they should be made relevant. Show people (adults only) films of concentration camps.

Oh I'm not going to dispute this guy's an idiot. But come on. Arresting someone for that is just giving the Nazis way more credibility than they deserve. Plus, what happened to freedom of expression? This is parody.

As for teaching about the Nazis, that will happen in school and I agree with that. What I mean is their lack of power and influence and importance today. They are seen mainstream as a joke and an irrelevance. And if anyone does actually commit crimes in the name of nazi ideology, they will be punished to the full extent of the law. If they were any kind of threat, this man wouldn't have done that, at least not on Youtube, for fear of getting his door and head kicked in.

I agree that the man shouldn't have been arrested.....but I do believe the guy should be taught some sort of lesson.

The UK is not a free country, they do not have freedom of speech. The government should not be policing people jokes or protecting people's "feelings". If this man was Muslim would he have been arrested in the UK? That's where it seems the surge in antisemitism in the UK and Europe is coming from, political correctness run amok.

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You just said he should be locked up. So what kind of lesson, and why exactly?

This is not about mere PC.

Watch a film about a concentration camp. What how people were "disposed" of.

When I said "locked up," I meant it more in that he should "get his head examined." Not literally "locked up."

I think he should be forced to watch films on concentration camps, and how they disposed of people.

How does that relate to this? Why? He obviously already knows about the gassing anyway.

This happened in the U.K. In America the Bill of Rights protects us from arrest over the expression of unpopular views.
You can say you hate Jews and love Nazis all day long. You can put a sign in your yard that says the same. You can run a Nazi flag up your flagpole. As long as you don't make any threats, you have that right.
Of course, that's not to say there won't be social consequences. Your neighbors might not like you, and if your employer finds out you might get fired. But you won't be arrested.

Sieg Heil, and the Nazi Salute are a symbol of what occurred in the concentration camps.

Just like an imitation of beheading somebody is a symbol of what ISIS does.

Like I said, the man shouldn't have been arrested--but the man really should not be allowed to do these sorts of things.

I don't care what people say about the "irrelevance" of the Nazis in today's society. The fact is: they killed millions of people simply because they were not of the "Aryan" race (whatever that means!)

I guess, personally, if I knew it was a parody of the Nazis, I might laugh, too.

But still....it's misguided what the guy did.

I still don't know what you're trying to teach him. He knew it was in bad taste. That was the point. A lack of knowledge on the subject would have probably lead to him choosing something else.

Oh now, really? All kinds of people have been chopping off heads pretty much since the dawn of time. Why do ISIS suddenly get a monopoly on it now? Again, giving bad people a prominence.

Yes, and we make sure to teach the next generation all about it. But they are about as relevant today as the KKK. We shouldn't treat them as any more relevant than that, it just gives them more legitimacy. Look at their main man, their idol, Hitler. He's one of the most used people for jokes I've ever seen. Just imagine how appalled he's be if he knew his legacy was going to be that.

Oh and you say he shouldn't be arrested but shouldn't be allowed to do something. So really, he's going to have to be arrested for that to happen. Otherwise unless he was happy to not do that thing voluntarily, then he would have to be forced to do it by the state.

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The KKK might not seem relevant now....but if we ignore them, they might become relevant later.

I do agree....sometimes, things should be ignored, rather than harped upon.

People have to let go. People have to proceed to the future, rather than dwell upon the past.

Unless the guy has a previous record, they'll probably let him off with a "caution," anyway. Maybe have him do community service or something.

Courts have the tendency to be much more objective, most of the time, than most police.

We don't have to ignore them. We don't have to forget what they did when they were powerful. But we shouldn't give them legitimacy when they have little. They're a joke, and people treat them like one because that's what they are. And that in itself helps keep them under control. Destroys their legitimacy. We help them when we do things like arrest this man and act like this is a big deal.