Why is free college such a crazy idea? (Hint: IT'S NOT)
People against the idea act as though it's insane. How exactly is it insane? It's definitely not an evil idea, and if you think it is, what the hell is wrong with you?
Usually though, people seem to think it's impossible, it simply can't be done. But I wonder how much tuition currently is already covered by federal loans, federal grants, military benifits like tuition assistance, GI Bill, ROTC scholarships, etc. Seems like the government already shells out a lot of money for it as it is, so why not just cut out the middle man and pay for it directly?
Also, apparently we can afford to bail out Wall Street criminals and fund unethical invasions of other countries, and probably loads of other things that are a total waste... but tuition free college for those who can't afford it? Are you out of your mind!?
I want all people to have access to higher education regardless of how rich their parents are. How crazy of me.
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One wrong doesn't justify another. Yes, "free" college sounds like such a good and noble thing, doesn't it? How about just have a college of volunteer professors and whatnot else where it's actually free rather than have "free" mean that the money to pay for going through the overpriced format of college is taken out of other people's pockets? Really, autodidacticism allows for learning most of the same stuff that can be learned from a formal environment. Apart from medical schools and whatnot else that require accountability and oversight, you can teach yourself languages, mathematics, much of the sciences even without labs, programming, etc, all on your own without having to pay $2,000 per class in schools where most of the students and professors don't even know how to spell and care more about format than content for papers, never even spotting all the fake references just so long as they're formatted correctly. Yes, "free" sounds good, but as Heinlein said in The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, "there's no such thing as a free lunch". Yes, lots of other legalized theft and other reallocation of other people's money happens by means of the government and all its slush funds and agencies, but theft is theft regardless of whether it's one person to another directly or it's by a giant faceless agency under threats of extortion, imprisonment, and death at gunpoint even against hundreds of millions of people. "free" sounds nice only to the people who think they're benefiting from it.
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The ONLY way that ANYTHING will become truly and genuinely "free" has to do with automated PRODUCTIVITY levels. UNLESS your Electricity is being generated for FREE for the population (Free-Energy Devices that everybody has in their OWN own hom to generate their own electricity), food is being grown for FREE for everybody to be able to feed themselves (everybody having something like a hydropnic-system or Urban-Cultivator to automatically grow their own food), shelter being provided for FREE to everybody (wrested from CORPORATE-control, and into the hands of those who need a place to live, FREE from rent and TAX-FREE), I assure you, free is NOT as free as you seem to want to believe.
KEY = PRODUCTIVITY of the ESSENTIALS (for survival, such as Shelter, Energy, Heat, Electricity, Food, Transportation, Fuel, Communications, etc).
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It is crazy since college shouldn't be prerequisite to ever working, we should actually educate our children while their in public schools and prepare them for jobs. Think of all the money spent on higher education in this country, the inflation it has gone thru and the decline of schools and communities. We shouldn't be literally building these ivory castles. What needs to be done is that student loans should not be federally guaranteed and should be dischargable in bankruptcy, that would eliminate 99% of the problem right there.
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Not intending to be belligerent but this has already been thoroughly discussed in intellectual-circles...
For this part...
...professional conspiracy theorists, like myself, ARE trying to discredit those clowns on Wall-Street so that we can stop funding such thievery. NASA, for one, does NOT represent a legitimate Space-Agency; they get BILLIONS of dollars in funding from tax-payers each year, yet they lose tapes that are related to Space-Missions like the Moon-Landings, gee, why can they not find these incredibly important alleged pieces of data-capture, despite those BILLIONS worth of funding, that SHOULD be able to afford State-of-the-Art systems to preserve such important records (not to mention the numerous other questionable pieces of footage that they have released where bubbles can be seen rising in alleged outer-space, the alleged astronauts become partially transparent like the space-footage was filmed via blue-screen or green-screen or chromakey, amongst other things that put its "science" into question). Also, college itself is an obsolete institution, completely worthless nowadays.
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I think the same way, Mr. B!
To the OP:
The idea is insane and there is definitely nothing wrong with me. You want the tax payers to pay for that too, huh? Sorry, I have my own $4000 + bill that I have to pay for my education in the next couple of months. I'm tired of footing the bill for the ones who think everything is owed to them. Go get a job.
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Darn, I flunked.
Apparently people don't understand what I mean by free. I mean tuition free, meaning all the costs of college are still paid for, just through different means. Not literally free. How hard is this to understand, seriously? Rather than expecting kids who barely have any job experience or money to be able to pay tens of thousands of dollars for an education (and forcing them into ridiculous amounts of debt as a result), our society should just agree that it's better if we all chip in to help provide education to people who have the ability to succeed in college, but don't have that kind of money. It's not "theft", it's society working together to improve our nation. We already fund public schools up to 12th grade, and nobody calls that theft. But I guess consistency is too much to ask for.
@Ban-Dodger You think a ten-minute video on Fox News qualifies as "thorough discussion"? Uh, no. Also, are you seriously saying that anything on Fox counts as an "intellectual circle"? That's a good one. Look, this was one conversation with one college girl, who doesn't have all the facts. I think she could have researched much more adequately. But just because one person was not able to provide all the information does not mean the idea should be tossed out the window.
The idea is insane and there is definitely nothing wrong with me. You want the tax payers to pay for that too, huh? Sorry, I have my own $4000 + bill that I have to pay for my education in the next couple of months. I'm tired of footing the bill for the ones who think everything is owed to them. Go get a job.
The idea is insane, yet you can't explain how. Not surprising. I also like how you imply that I'm not a taxpayer and tell me to get a job when you don't even know me. You have no idea of any of those things.
But tell me something: are you also tired of footing the bill for the k-12 public schools that you're not currently using? The EXACT THING I'm proposing ALREADY EXISTS, just not past grade 12. Are you also tired of footing the bill for public infrastructure that you don't personally drive on? What you seem to be saying is, your taxes should only go to things that directly benefit you in some obvious way. Seems pretty selfish.
Like all the stuff I mentioned above, and plenty of other things your taxes already help pay for, free public college is something that will benefit society as a whole. Better education means a more intelligent America. You people fail to realize this. Is that not worth devoting some of our taxes for?
And anyway, if we just fixed all the loopholes and tax breaks that the giant corporations get, and charged them the SAME in taxes as everyone else (which they are certainly not paying right now), I bet it would go a long way towards paying the education costs I'm talking about.
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I assure you the College-SCAM has been thoroughly discussed (now click here to read an entire related thread).
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How so?
Think about, how many people before Vietnam even went to college? I mean we've advanced as a society since then but really only slightly, look at how tuition inflation compares to CPI, increasing over 1000% since 1978. Were we complete stupid cavemen 40 years ago? Did our society not function? There is no point to college education for most people, most people can and are trained on the job if they're even lucky enough to get one because college can't train you for the specific job you may be getting. It may be an enriching experience for some but we can't have the taxpayers pay for kids to 'find themselves', not only is it unfeasible from a fiscal standpoint but it makes college degrees completely worthless which makes it even harder for the disadvantaged to rise up thru society. Remember that at the big prestigious colleges there is something of a caste system, if you're daddy went there and his daddy went there then you are at a much greater advantage than those who busted their ass to get there with no one on their side. They'd just be much more expensive high school diplomas with more subversive Marxism thrown in, it doesn't prepare people for jobs and puts them in debt slavery. The government should stop guaranteeing student loans and allow people to discharge them in bankruptcy because if you can't get a job with your degree then their job as educators has been a failure, we are literally building ivory towers for these folks and 100,000 capacity coliseums for sports that bring in millions but never seem to lower tuition or up the quality of education.
There are much better things to spend money on, it seems like college is making kids stupider nowadays in a lot of ways so it should be something that shouldn't be FORCED on the population which what making it 'free' does, it makes it another high school.
@Ban-Dodger You think a ten-minute video on Fox News qualifies as "thorough discussion"? Uh, no. Also, are you seriously saying that anything on Fox counts as an "intellectual circle"? That's a good one. Look, this was one conversation with one college girl, who doesn't have all the facts. I think she could have researched much more adequately. But just because one person was not able to provide all the information does not mean the idea should be tossed out the window.
The idea is insane and there is definitely nothing wrong with me. You want the tax payers to pay for that too, huh? Sorry, I have my own $4000 + bill that I have to pay for my education in the next couple of months. I'm tired of footing the bill for the ones who think everything is owed to them. Go get a job.
The idea is insane, yet you can't explain how. Not surprising. I also like how you imply that I'm not a taxpayer and tell me to get a job when you don't even know me. You have no idea of any of those things.
But tell me something: are you also tired of footing the bill for the k-12 public schools that you're not currently using? The EXACT THING I'm proposing ALREADY EXISTS, just not past grade 12. Are you also tired of footing the bill for public infrastructure that you don't personally drive on? What you seem to be saying is, your taxes should only go to things that directly benefit you in some obvious way. Seems pretty selfish.
Like all the stuff I mentioned above, and plenty of other things your taxes already help pay for, free public college is something that will benefit society as a whole. Better education means a more intelligent America. You people fail to realize this. Is that not worth devoting some of our taxes for?
And anyway, if we just fixed all the loopholes and tax breaks that the giant corporations get, and charged them the SAME in taxes as everyone else (which they are certainly not paying right now), I bet it would go a long way towards paying the education costs I'm talking about.
Yes, I'm am starting to think selfishly and you can thank people like you for making me that way. Calling me "selfish" doesn't bother me one damn bit. See, you're from the generation that is used to getting everything given to them, but that's going to come to an end.
Now I do have another idea. For the jobs that need people (like doctors) then having those students education paid for might make sense and a lot of that money should come from the employers who will get the use of these people - not the taxpayers. Once these students graduate, then they must give the employers so many years of service. A lot of college students go to college for degrees where no jobs are even available. Waste of time and money.
My schooling is going up 5% this year . The hospital I work for will be paying for some of it - the rest will be paid by me by working extra of necessary. I don't expect others to pay my way.
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Darn, I flunked.
That sounds like a great idea.
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Darn, I flunked.
I don't think that counts either, dude. A random thread on a forum for a MMORPG? I can't tell if you're being serious.
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