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06 Jun 2016, 6:53 pm

With the GOP having lost the last two presidential elections, and with the strong possibility they will lose this one, there is talk that the GOP might implode, or "die".

If that does indeed happen, what scenario of those listed below is the most likely?

1. A new center-right party takes its place

2. Existing minor parties such as the Libertarians and Greens, and independent candidates become more competitive in future elections

3. One-party rule by the Democrats for the foreseeable future


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06 Jun 2016, 7:27 pm

Option 3.

The Libetarians hey day as it were occurred in wake of the burgoning of the survelliance state and the bailouts and the Iraq War. Rand Paul thought he could ride that wave but the Paris and San Bernadino terrorist attacks happened and peoples priorities changed to more security over privacy. Unlike Trump Paul is on the unpupular side of the survalience issue, the unpopular side of the use of force, and Trump made himself the lighting rod for economic resentments and non globalism which the Libetarians thought were their issues.

As for the Greens if they gain in popularity it will not be from disaffected Republicans who oppose them on practically every issue but disaffected Sanders supporters.


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06 Jun 2016, 7:28 pm

The GOP won't die. At worst it will split into a Trump/Tea Party/Nationalist party and a more traditional conservative party.

I think both parties will be strong in certain regions--South, Midwest, etc. But they won't be able to compete for national office.


However, I don't think that will happen.

Unless Trump keeps on getting crazier (like he is today) I think he has a GREAT chance of winning because he's bringing in so many new voters and dissatisfaction among working class whites is so high.


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06 Jun 2016, 7:34 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Option 3.

The Libetarians hey day as it were occurred in wake of the burgoning of the survelliance state and the bailouts and the Iraq War. Rand Paul thought he could ride that wave but the Paris and San Bernadino terrorist attacks happened and peoples priorities changed to more security over privacy. Unlike Trump Paul is on the unpupular side of the survalience issue, the unpopular side of the use of force, and Trump made himself the lighting rod for economic resentments and non globalism which the Libetarians thought were their issues.

As for the Greens if they gain in popularity it will not be from disaffected Republicans who oppose them on practically every issue but disaffected Sanders supporters.

You're dead wrong about libertarians and trade.

However, I think a lot of economic conservatives (free traders), who don't care about social issues, could find a new home with the libertarians.


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07 Jun 2016, 12:02 am

GoonSquad wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Option 3.

The Libetarians hey day as it were occurred in wake of the burgoning of the survelliance state and the bailouts and the Iraq War. Rand Paul thought he could ride that wave but the Paris and San Bernadino terrorist attacks happened and peoples priorities changed to more security over privacy. Unlike Trump Paul is on the unpupular side of the survalience issue, the unpopular side of the use of force, and Trump made himself the lighting rod for economic resentments and non globalism which the Libetarians thought were their issues.

As for the Greens if they gain in popularity it will not be from disaffected Republicans who oppose them on practically every issue but disaffected Sanders supporters.

You're dead wrong about libertarians and trade.

However, I think a lot of economic conservatives (free traders), who don't care about social issues, could find a new home with the libertarians.


I was not thinking of free trade but goverment support and bailouts of companies with worldwide interests. The primaries showed there are not to many economic conservatives in the Republican electorate. If these economic conservatives are not republican voters where would they be?


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07 Jun 2016, 12:24 am

I am guessing Option 1 is the most likely.

But as for 2016, I am debating whether Seymour Butts or I.P. Freely is a better write-in candidate.


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07 Jun 2016, 1:04 am

I think it is very unlikely that 2016 would be the end of the Republican Party. It may be damaged, but the degree of strength which many of the state republican parties hold makes it likely that the party would survive 2016. Granted it may be possible that in a few decades it may go the way of the Whigs.



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07 Jun 2016, 6:17 am

The GOP has been "imploding" for well over a decade. It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion.



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07 Jun 2016, 8:15 am

The Republican Party has survived much worse

It won't "implode." It will just change to fit the "times."



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07 Jun 2016, 9:58 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Option 3.

The Libetarians hey day as it were occurred in wake of the burgoning of the survelliance state and the bailouts and the Iraq War. Rand Paul thought he could ride that wave but the Paris and San Bernadino terrorist attacks happened and peoples priorities changed to more security over privacy. Unlike Trump Paul is on the unpupular side of the survalience issue, the unpopular side of the use of force, and Trump made himself the lighting rod for economic resentments and non globalism which the Libetarians thought were their issues.

As for the Greens if they gain in popularity it will not be from disaffected Republicans who oppose them on practically every issue but disaffected Sanders supporters.

You're dead wrong about libertarians and trade.

However, I think a lot of economic conservatives (free traders), who don't care about social issues, could find a new home with the libertarians.


I was not thinking of free trade but goverment support and bailouts of companies with worldwide interests. The primaries showed there are not to many economic conservatives in the Republican electorate. If these economic conservatives are not republican voters where would they be?

Trump's big economic issue is anti-free trade, bringing jobs back from China/Mexico etc.

The Libertarians are ALL ABOUT free trade. Globalism/free trade is (or was) a foundational element of GOP economic policy (Democrat policy too). Clearly, there are many more anti-free traders among actual GOP voters. This is a big reason for Trump's success.

The actual free traders are people with BIG money and Wall Street.

You can read the Libertarian Platform here.

https://www.lp.org/platform


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