14 Jun 2016, 8:06 pm
As in unit for convict who goes to war instead prison, i wonder does USA or any other country had something like this 
I know that during WW2 Nazi and Soviets had some, this people goes to war instead regular prison, even if they would be normally rejected due medical reasons.
I was medically rejected from Polish Army draft when i was 18, if in Poland we had something like this. I just could smash window in shop or mug someone and win career in army in a process 
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15 Jun 2016, 3:18 am
15 Jun 2016, 5:47 am
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In a wartime situation, you may be recruited to a unit that use criminals as cannon fooder. The career is very short though...
15 Jun 2016, 6:22 am
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15 Jun 2016, 11:33 am
15 Jun 2016, 11:51 am
Ichinin wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Ichinin wrote:
In a wartime situation, you may be recruited to a unit that use criminals as cannon fooder. The career is very short though...
That may or may not have been the case during WWII, but today's American military won't tolerate criminals. They are refused enlistment and not knowingly recruited. Those who are eventually discovered to have criminal records are quietly dismissed from service.That 1967 movie "The Dirty Dozen" was not the story of a real unit. In the prologue to the novel that the movie was based on, the writer (E.M.Nathanson) states that, while he heard a legend that such a unit may have existed, he was unable to find any corroboration in the archives of the US Army in Europe.
Stay in school, stay out of trouble, graduate, get a job, and have a good life.
I was putting him off, not quoting reality. Beside he is Polish, this forum is not limited people from North America.
Since he is 29 and have those immature thoughts as if they would get him into uniform and a career to go with it, makes him very unlikely to serve in the military. We have plenty of idiots who do stupid things every year, and you do not need a psychological diagnosis to do stupid things or to be considered unwelcome or can get you fired: Alcohol problems, theft (Computers, Fuel etc), problem factors that can make you susceptible to coercion (Debt, Sex, Family issues) or extremist political/religious affiliations.
And to save time and not prolong this thread: Yes, i work in the armed forces as an IT-specialist.
As a child I dreamed to be a soldier, beside as soldier i would get laid more easily because women love men in uniforms
As for America and for UK for that matter i wonder does in Does American Armed force or British Armed Force, accept aspies form said countries as officers/soldiers or they are discriminated, my Psychiatrist said that aspies can have problem with adjusting to army discipline and drill.
The doctors from army said that he had no problem with Asperger, but the Epilepsy i suffer as child is disqualifying
Why?
15 Jun 2016, 12:12 pm
15 Jun 2016, 12:52 pm
naturalplastic wrote:
Ichinin wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Ichinin wrote:
In a wartime situation, you may be recruited to a unit that use criminals as cannon fooder. The career is very short though...
That may or may not have been the case during WWII, but today's American military won't tolerate criminals. They are refused enlistment and not knowingly recruited. Those who are eventually discovered to have criminal records are quietly dismissed from service.That 1967 movie "The Dirty Dozen" was not the story of a real unit. In the prologue to the novel that the movie was based on, the writer (E.M.Nathanson) states that, while he heard a legend that such a unit may have existed, he was unable to find any corroboration in the archives of the US Army in Europe.
Stay in school, stay out of trouble, graduate, get a job, and have a good life.
I was putting him off, not quoting reality. Beside he is Polish, this forum is not limited people from North America.
Since he is 29 and have those immature thoughts as if they would get him into uniform and a career to go with it, makes him very unlikely to serve in the military. We have plenty of idiots who do stupid things every year, and you do not need a psychological diagnosis to do stupid things or to be considered unwelcome or can get you fired: Alcohol problems, theft (Computers, Fuel etc), problem factors that can make you susceptible to coercion (Debt, Sex, Family issues) or extremist political/religious affiliations.
And to save time and not prolong this thread: Yes, i work in the armed forces as an IT-specialist.
No need to apologize.
Fnord was talking to the OP, not to you. And both you and Fnord gave him good relevant answers.
To Pawelk:
Do you really need to ask about why epilepsy would disqualify you from the armed services?
I know why it was, ('i'm not so dump
) if it's active illness, but why someone who is completely cured cannot serve is beyond me Why it is concluded that epilepsy is an incurable disease even as some studies deny this clearly?
I wonder how many aspies serve in armies?
15 Jun 2016, 6:48 pm
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16 Jun 2016, 8:05 pm
pawelk1986 wrote:
The doctors from army said that he had no problem with Asperger, but the Epilepsy i suffer as child is disqualifying
Why?
Because you may have a seizure at a time when you are needed most. Your seizure would effectively tie up one or more soldiers at a time when not only you are needed most, but also others as well.
FWIW, I know that Poland has a strong semi-private militia tradition. You might want to look into that, and see if your epilepsy would make you unfit for them.
16 Jun 2016, 8:22 pm
Fogman wrote:
pawelk1986 wrote:
The doctors from army said that he had no problem with Asperger, but the Epilepsy i suffer as child is disqualifying
Why?
Because you may have a seizure at a time when you are needed most. Your seizure would effectively tie up one or more soldiers at a time when not only you are needed most, but also others as well.
FWIW, I know that Poland has a strong semi-private militia tradition. You might want to look into that, and see if your epilepsy would make you unfit for them.
I already asked him if he needed the obvious explained to him (that he might get a seizure on the battlefield). He said that the issue is that he is "cured" of epilepsy. I guess that armies are conservative and are not yet on board with new fangled notions that epilepsy can really be cured, and they dont want to take chances. And who can blame them really? Even if it is a bit unfair.
17 Jun 2016, 3:01 am
naturalplastic wrote:
Fogman wrote:
pawelk1986 wrote:
The doctors from army said that he had no problem with Asperger, but the Epilepsy i suffer as child is disqualifying
Why?
Because you may have a seizure at a time when you are needed most. Your seizure would effectively tie up one or more soldiers at a time when not only you are needed most, but also others as well.
FWIW, I know that Poland has a strong semi-private militia tradition. You might want to look into that, and see if your epilepsy would make you unfit for them.
I already asked him if he needed the obvious explained to him (that he might get a seizure on the battlefield). He said that the issue is that he is "cured" of epilepsy. I guess that armies are conservative and are not yet on board with new fangled notions that epilepsy can really be cured, and they dont want to take chances. And who can blame them really? Even if it is a bit unfair.
You got damn right it's unfair
17 Jun 2016, 6:34 am
17 Jun 2016, 8:11 am
17 Jun 2016, 8:30 am
17 Jun 2016, 9:58 am
Fnord wrote:
pawelk1986 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Every soldier has his or her place and function. Together, they are all a team. One soldier down (for whatever reason) means that three more soldiers can no longer fight - two to carry the wounded soldier out of danger, and a medic to monitor the wounded soldier. Since seizures can not be predicted, nor controlled without heavy medications, this makes a person with epilepsy a liability on a battlefield, especially where stealth and/or swiftness are needed. "Fair" is irrelevant - military service has nothing to do with being "fair", and it has everything to do with ability bring harm to the enemy. If soldiers can not perform their duties due to health reasons, or if a person already has a history of a medical condition that may compromise his or her ability to operate as part of a combat unit, then he or she is not recruited, plain and simple. That's just how it is.
But ...You are arguing your case with the wrong people. Take it up with the Polish military establishment, instead.
Whatever
I do not care so much, just pisses me that the people who once suffered from epilepsy, are subject to such discrimination, not only in Poland.
I am interested in aviation, it turns out that as I have had epilepsy in the past, it can not apply for pilot licenses even on the glider!
I cannot not afford anyway because i'm poor but that it's unfair (the medical discrimination of course )
But on other hand if life is unfair for us, i think we can lie and this is morally justified.
Like this countryman of you
(BTW it's on my favorite movie with DiCaprio )I could not prove that the thesis of the innate honesty autistic people , are greatly exaggerated, and
and we should fight against the prejudicial stereotypes, do they?
