What is the Trend since the 80s of killing ones own children

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28 Jun 2016, 7:23 pm

Of course every anti gun person will pounce on fact that tawdry blonde in Texas SHOT her family. But it wasn't that long ago that a woman tried to drive in ocean with kids south of here in SC. And it isn't a color thing either. Not even a poverty thing.

When kids survive the moms are not always fully prosecuted and get all kind of excuses about a temporary mental problem (maybe true-maybenot)
There is the lil girl in UK that was killed recent right after being returned to the parents.
http://abc11.com/news/sbi-woman-drove-c ... e/1344779/ *this year

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/l ... 03741.html Susan Smith (SC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcgawK3t1_s Ebony Wilker (SC)

http://ktla.com/2016/02/01/torrance-are ... -age-of-2/ (CA)

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html (Az resident from GA took kids to disneyland..and killed them)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /30298345/

Teresa Knorr the list grows the closer to today you get.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93044 Andrea Yates (also Houston <_< is that like the FL of Texas?)

Men are more often the killer over the years
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=125830 like this wonderful father recent

But..................... I cannot even imagine killing a child. Especially not my own.

Life value steadily diminishes.. who is murdered is getting less selective or predictable.
Not for any reason in a normal world.
I mean, okay, I wont say never could happen... if my child is actually killing me... I might. Because if they can kill me with no good reason , other women/people are not going to be safe. :cry:
If we were last humans in zombie apocalypse and trapped and cornered, I suppose might save them pain of being a zombie after being rent apart while alive by killing them. But honestly what are the chances of that happening at all ever

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28 Jun 2016, 7:35 pm

I refer you the the Book of Judges, Eleventh Chapter, Verses 30 through 39.

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And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, "If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering."

So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the Lord delivered them into his hands. And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, even twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel.

And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.

And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, "Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the Lord, and I cannot go back."

And she said unto him, "My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the Lord, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the Lord hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon."

And she said unto her father, "Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows."

And he said, "Go." And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. ...

Thus it came to be that parents killing their own children preceded the 1980s by at least 4000 years. Parents kill their children - born and unborn - because they believe that it is the right thing to do.

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28 Jun 2016, 8:03 pm

-_- people in ancient days would sacrifice children, eat children

I am not sure why you bother with biblical cut/paste -o-rama instead of just saying that killing children has happened before.

But it became a cultural taboo pretty much across the board in the western world, specially since 20th century.Oedipus complex comes from a horrid story. So does word Tantalize.

The right thing to do? Did every one of them claim that? <_<

No, i believe it is something modern and something more. I wonder if there is research

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28 Jun 2016, 8:25 pm

"Life value steadily diminishes.. who is murdered is getting less selective or predictable"

How do you know? I think it's the opposite. You just hear more about these things due to the rise of cable television.

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29 Jun 2016, 6:29 am

gingerpickles wrote:

... I am not sure why you bother with biblical cut/paste -o-rama instead of just saying that killing children has happened before. ...

(1) To show that this practice did not originate in the 1980s, and (2) to show that people kill their children because they believe it is the right thing to do.

Consider abortions ... how many of the women who kill their unborn children and consign them to "the Flames of Moloch" (cremation) think that it is their right to do so? How many think that it's wrong?

This has been going on for more than just a few decades ... centuries, even ...

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29 Jun 2016, 7:07 am

Are incidents of fallicide increasing or does it seem like incidents of fallicide increaseing due to social media, tabloid jounalism, Dr. Phil type shows etc.?

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29 Jun 2016, 1:02 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Are incidents of fallicide increaseing or does it seem like incidents of fallicide increaseing due to social media, tabloid jounalism, Dr. Phil type shows etc.?

Let me ask a similar question ...

Are incidents of autism increasing or does it just seem like incidents of autism are increasing due to the influences of social media, tabloid journalism, "Dr. Phil" type shows, et cetera?

There seems to be a very close parallel, in my opinion.

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29 Jun 2016, 1:41 pm

I don't think it's a new trend. I think incidents of people killing their own children have been publicized more in the mass media since the 1980s.

Before the 1980s, the mass media just didn't spread out so much. Much hidden stuff happened (including, alas, people killing their own children).

Autism's incidence has risen in the 1990's and the 2000s almost solely because of the broadening of the criteria.

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29 Jun 2016, 2:11 pm

Munchhausen by proxy is one reason. Some people kill they're children (or others in their care) for the sympathy they'll receive for being a "grieving" parent.

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29 Jun 2016, 3:57 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

As a couple of you mentioned the media circus and in your face newscasting probably did make it seem like a rise. Though I would more horrified to know that there were that many murdered every year 0_0

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Annually about 450 children are intentionally murdered by a parent.

More than three decades of FBI homicide data shows patterns stand out when parents kill their children:
Three out of four child victims are younger than 5.
In 56% of all cases, fathers are the killers.
In murders with multiple victims, fathers are the culprit 70% of the time.

Northeastern University criminologists collected the data and applied statistical models to the records.

Many of the incidents involve parents who are divorcing and often in custody battles, says Kathleen Russell, executive director of the Center for Judicial Excellence. The organization has tracked at least 287 cases since 2008 of parents involved in custody fights who killed their children.~ Marisol Bella

A 30 yr study was recently finished apparently. Wonder what it finds
@Luke. Eeew how horrible to consider. I have people in my family that like being nartyred. To think one would go on scale to be a tragedy is so sick I feel ill. : c

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