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Does Brexit referendum is Legally binding?
Poll ended at 09 Jul 2016, 5:32 pm
YES 44%  44%  [ 4 ]
NO 56%  56%  [ 5 ]
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25 Jun 2016, 5:32 pm

I am a Pole, and I live in Poland, our current government is very Eurosceptic, recently I read on the website of The Guardian, that it referendun is not legally binding.
How is the will of the people is not "legally binding", I personally am for the EU, even with its errors and distortions.

I think if kept my countrymen,. if in Poland after a similar refernedum, which was by turns over 50%, Polish Sejm decided that it did not comply the will of the people, would be BIG WTF?! the next day the Polish Sejm (Parlament) building would be a pile of ashes that and all of 460 MPs would be impalement :-)
And we would have full scale civil war :evil:

For me this BREXIT referendum was worst mistake David Cameron made, he should never allowed to it, he gambled and LOST!

He now need fulfill will of people and withdraw UK form EU



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25 Jun 2016, 5:37 pm

It isn't legally binding, but thoughts are at the moment it would be political suicide for a party not to follow through in a satisfactory way.


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25 Jun 2016, 5:40 pm

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It isn't legally binding, but thoughts are at the moment it would be political suicide for a party not to follow through in a satisfactory way.


What do you mean?



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25 Jun 2016, 5:44 pm

They don't have to act on it, but if they don't they will lose all votes and they will never get into office again, so political suicide. Not quite the same as the suicide-by-angry-mob you are implying would happen in Poland.


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25 Jun 2016, 5:54 pm

Look at the number of seats the Liberal Democrats got in the previous election compared to the current one. They got all but wiped out. Because they formed a coalition government with the Tories and basically threw their principles in the bin.

Going against the referendum would be much, much worse.



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26 Jun 2016, 4:06 pm

It's not legally binding, no.

And your government in Poland is soft eurosceptic. If it was hard eurosceptic, they would have made arrangements with the EU to leave by now.



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26 Jun 2016, 6:09 pm

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I am a Pole, and I live in Poland, our current government is very Eurosceptic, recently I read on the website of The Guardian, that it referendun is not legally binding.
How is the will of the people is not legally binding, I personally am for the EU, even with its errors and distortions.

I think if kept my countrymen,. if in Poland after a similar refernedum, which was by turns over 50%, Polish Sejm decided that it did not comply the will of the people, would be BIG WTF?! the next day the Polish Sejm (Parlament) building would be a pile of ashes that and all of 460 MPs would be impalement :-)
And we would have full scale civil war :evil:

For me this BREXIT referendum was worst mistake David Cameron made, he should never allowed to it, he gambled and LOST!

He now need fulfill will of people and withdraw UK form EU


And it caused a great fracture in UK' society; 52% vs 48% - this isn't like presidential election wich is short term; but it's a long term fracture over national identity; the 48% will be obligated to bitterly quit of what they identify themselves (as UKs+EU citizens same time) and to endure the grave economical consequences, pro-remain people who have lost money value and jobs due to the leave will cretainly have a grudge against the pro-leave people.

Not to mention that the majoriry younger generations voted for Remain.

Look at the map below, there's an extreme regional chasm too.
http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016- ... eferendum/

I wonder if the huge red part is all what will remain from UK.



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26 Jun 2016, 10:05 pm

I voted remain because I did the homework and realised that leaving the EU wouldn't help us with anything and would only compromise our economy.

There is still a faint hope that Brexit won't happen. We need Scotland's consent before we can leave the EU (which won't happen) and the Scots can't have another referendum for independence without our permission (which won't happen) so, with any luck, we might be stuck in the EU through our own bureaucracy.

Plus, the Article 50 has to be voted through parliament and there's a fair chance that the MPs won't vote it through.



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27 Jun 2016, 1:59 am

"Article 50" must be passed before a 2 year negotiation process is supposed to begin - nobody is certain how specfically how this is supposed work



Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty? Why is it so vague? There is no timescale or mention of when to trigger the mechanism for an exit after a referendum, leaving many politicians worried about a long period of uncertainty

Scottish parliament could block Brexit Scotland’s first minister says she will consider asking MSPs to vote down legislation needed for UK to leave the EU


Anarchy in the UK indeed


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27 Jun 2016, 5:36 am

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So it can result in 2nd English civil war or at least severe civil disturbance?



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27 Jun 2016, 5:44 am

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I voted remain because I did the homework and realised that leaving the EU wouldn't help us with anything and would only compromise our economy.

There is still a faint hope that Brexit won't happen. We need Scotland's consent before we can leave the EU (which won't happen) and the Scots can't have another referendum for independence without our permission (which won't happen) so, with any luck, we might be stuck in the EU through our own bureaucracy.

Plus, the Article 50 has to be voted through parliament and there's a fair chance that the MPs won't vote it through.


I don't understand the Scot consent part.

England's population is 53 millions.
Scotland is 5.2 millions.

Are you telling me that 5 m can veto the decision of 50%+ of 53m? That sounds unfair for the Brexit winners.



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27 Jun 2016, 5:54 am

It's pretty much legally binding because it was voted on in a referendum.

If they don't follow up on the precepts of the referendum, the whole point of a referendum would be lost.

If, say, there was a referendum legalizing marijuana in a certain state, and the government didn't legalize it, it would have served no purpose.

It would set a bad precedent. The will of the people would have been superseded by the act of an authoritarian government.

It would lead the way to dictatorship.

The referendum is, actually, an entity which is quite close to Democracy.

I would have been against Brexit---but they would to implement it, unfortunately.



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27 Jun 2016, 7:50 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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I voted remain because I did the homework and realised that leaving the EU wouldn't help us with anything and would only compromise our economy.

There is still a faint hope that Brexit won't happen. We need Scotland's consent before we can leave the EU (which won't happen) and the Scots can't have another referendum for independence without our permission (which won't happen) so, with any luck, we might be stuck in the EU through our own bureaucracy.

Plus, the Article 50 has to be voted through parliament and there's a fair chance that the MPs won't vote it through.


I don't understand the Scot consent part.

England's population is 53 millions.
Scotland is 5.2 millions.

Are you telling me that 5 m can veto the decision of 50%+ of 53m? That sounds unfair for the Brexit winners.


Scotland have their own parliament and they get to veto anything that affects their interests. When you bear in mind that Scotland was 60% in favour of remain, the Scots have a democratic responsibility to uphold the view of their own people. The only way around it would be to give Scotland their independence which would be economic suicide right now.



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27 Jun 2016, 9:18 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
It's pretty much legally binding because it was voted on in a referendum.

If they don't follow up on the precepts of the referendum, the whole point of a referendum would be lost.

If, say, there was a referendum legalizing marijuana in a certain state, and the government didn't legalize it, it would have served no purpose.

It would set a bad precedent. The will of the people would have been superseded by the act of an authoritarian government.

It would lead the way to dictatorship.

The referendum is, actually, an entity which is quite close to Democracy.

I would have been against Brexit---but they would to implement it, unfortunately.


The Referendum is not legally binding, Article 50 of the Lisbon treaty is, but I do not see a mechanism to enforce it.


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27 Jun 2016, 9:20 am

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Scotland have their own parliament and they get to veto anything that affects their interests. When you bear in mind that Scotland was 60% in favour of remain, the Scots have a democratic responsibility to uphold the view of their own people. The only way around it would be to give Scotland their independence which would be economic suicide right now.


The Scottish Parliament can object, but they do not have power to veto. Westminster has the final say. Sturgeon is posturing for the benefit of her political career, implying rather than outright stating that they have the power of veto - because they don't.

Kudos to Sturgeon, however, for being the only leader who isn't running around like a headless chicken. She's positioned herself to benefit from Brexit.

As for the Referendum being "legally binding", the alternative to accepting the will of the people is widescale civil unrest. It's happening, no matter how firmly anyone stamps their feet.



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27 Jun 2016, 9:22 am

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So it can result in 2nd English civil war or at least severe civil disturbance?


I think the UK is in for American style political paralysis more then mass violence.


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