Should old people no longer have a vote? Democracy?

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24 Jun 2016, 11:08 am

The problem of old people - https://twitter.com/MazMHussain/status/ ... 9816569857

I heard an 80 year old on the radio who voted leave who seemed to think he was doing it to get out of WW 2. Like he was still twenty years old.

So... people with dementia making a demented choice, no?

How is not allowing 16 to 17 year olds who have the biggest stake, decades outside of the union, supposed to inform any wannabe dictator that this is a democracy?

So, while old people will be six feet under (if they had any brain cells left I'm sure they'll still be thinking they're still fighting the Germans and the Fuhrer totally hasn't been dead for sixty years) everyone else has to suffer their decision for decades on end...

I'm not the one proposing a reduction in democracy, old people have already long ago effected that (although this won't presumably affect countries with mostly a young population, but those countries tend to be in the Middle East who are run by Little Hitlers anyway) - old people are seemingly waging a war against everyone else even if they're barely conscious they're doing this, so this is almost a psychiatric situation... but, really... (why does anyone even interview and take seriously delusional 80 year olds, anyway?)



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24 Jun 2016, 11:16 am

So the old voted for something you don't want so they're not fit to vote.

No. One person. One vote.



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24 Jun 2016, 11:19 am

All people who are classed as adult enough to vote should be entitled to do so no matter what their views are or whatever state they're in. That's what democracy is. Valuing one person's right to vote over another is wholly undemocratic.


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24 Jun 2016, 11:22 am

The basis premise of democracy is that the crazy cat lady's vote counts just as much as anyone else's.



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24 Jun 2016, 11:37 am

Everyone aged 16 or over should be allowed to vote unless they have been declared incompetent, and that should only happen in cases of advanced dementia or extreme brain damage.



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24 Jun 2016, 11:38 am

The age should stay as it is. 16 year old don't have much live experience unless they come for pretty wealthy households. Their brain and body are still developing, but yet lets let them vote. Come on now. Why not let 10 year olds vote while we're at it?



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24 Jun 2016, 11:42 am

Also, F*** Globalism.



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24 Jun 2016, 11:43 am

That's funny. I think the same about younger kids that have brain cells screwed up by drugs.


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24 Jun 2016, 11:45 am

BTDT wrote:
The basis premise of democracy is that the crazy cat lady's vote counts just as much as anyone else's.


Do I have to be one of the main topics of this conversation? :mrgreen:


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24 Jun 2016, 11:51 am

Did you ever think maybe those old folks might remember what it was like before the EU came along and stole their sovereignty? I'd be pretty pissed too having to wait 43 years to leave a sh*thole organization that bullies Europe into conformity.



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24 Jun 2016, 11:52 am

I'm not a real big fan of disenfranchisement.

Couldn't tell ya why. :evil:

If they're too demented to vote responsibly, they're probably too demented to get themselves to the polling place, too. Been there, seen that, know of what I speak.

If there's disenfranchisement due to age, then there will be disenfranchisement due to disability/mental illness. Who's gonna decide who's too impaired to vote??? Probably not someone who's openly disabled, anxious, or depressed...

Don't take from someone else what you don't want to have taken from you.

Why does someone interview a delusional 80-year-old??

Probably because they have an agenda, and want to characterize people with the opposite agenda as delusional xenophobes with one foot in the grave and the other one on a roller skate.

Or, well, if I understand this whole thing correctly from the other side of the Big Pond, part of Brexit is wanting to retain (or reacquire) a bit more authority to keep the fanatical devotees of some of those Little Hitlers on the other side of the Channel.

Or are you eager for Brits to have a story to tell, down the road, when Americans are remembering Pulse and French are remembering Bataclan??

They're not all innocent refugees looking to escape war and tyranny. Some of them are Crusaders looking to bring war and tyranny to you.


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24 Jun 2016, 11:52 am

There's something to be said for wisdom, the closer I get to 30, the more I understand that people under 30 know nothing about anything.


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24 Jun 2016, 11:56 am

Mikah wrote:
There's something to be said for wisdom, the closer I get to 30, the more I understand that people under 30 know nothing about anything.

Agreed. Also, it's nice to meet a Brit that is independent thinking. Plus Timothy Dalton kicks ass. I wish he starred in more than just 2 Bond films.



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24 Jun 2016, 12:32 pm

The point is, especially on a vote that has long-term consequences, old people naturally do not have much of a stake in it. It's almost like capitalism privatizing profits and nationalizing losses. It just doesn't work. Action becomes devoid of responsibility. Besides, since most comments here seem like they were made while drunk (CommanderKeen posts so much, one would think it was like a stream of incoherency) I can't even begin to take them seriously...

BuyerBeware, what exactly did you imply? Refugees don't even have anything to do with the free movement of the EU. Xenophobia reeks.



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24 Jun 2016, 12:35 pm

Mootoo wrote:
The point is, especially on a vote that has long-term consequences, old people naturally do not have much of a stake in it. It's almost like capitalism privatizing profits and nationalizing losses. It just doesn't work. Action becomes devoid of responsibility. Besides, since most comments here seem like they were made while drunk I can't even begin to take them seriously...

BuyerBeware, what exactly did you imply? Refugees don't even have anything to do with the free movement of the EU. Xenophobia reeks.


Old people have a stake in the consequences by wanting their rights and privileges passed down to their children and grandchildren. They worked hard to get where they are and they want what they worked for to be enjoyed by their family members left behind.


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24 Jun 2016, 12:38 pm

Well, clearly they didn't want to pass down the rights and privileges they enjoyed for decades now (cheap housing, easy travel). Same with Trump there, unless they think that being burdened by a dictatorial megalomaniac should be their children's only right.