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21 Jul 2016, 1:11 pm

Good article:

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-com ... bout-trump

Basically, politicians like Trump associate cosmopolitanism with decadence, weakness. When they say "let's take America back" or "let's make America great again" they are saying let us end its cosmopolitanism and turn it back into the homogeneous, conformist society of their fantasies, a society that never actually existed.

This isn't the first time in history political groups have pushed this to dismantle the society they oppose. The Weimar Republic itself, a highly cosmopolitan society of great intellectual fervor and change that was defamed as decadent by its enemies, was murdered not just by the authoritarians but by the conservatives themselves who pursued fantasy.


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21 Jul 2016, 1:55 pm

fascism is the the idea of eternally reenacting the past.

apart from the sociopolitical symbol that is donals drumpf, I do like george friedman's (founder of stratfor) "geopolitical" view: the american president, is, by design, a weak institution. the president really has very little power.
so it doesn't matter. he says:" I love Trump. Isn't it a great country? Anybody can be president"

which I find funny- the realization that the reason why Trump may become president - the ineffectiveness of the governmental institutions- is also the reason why we can relax.

In theory.
This view does neglect the effect a Drumpf-Presidency might have on the people: a disrespect of the law and governmental institutions.


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21 Jul 2016, 5:29 pm

George Takei warns against a Trump presidency with his scapegoating of Hispanics, saying Trump is inflaming the same attitudes that led to the Japanese internment in the U.S., which included U.S. citizens of Japanese descent:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-ameri ... eo-n614446

Then there's this bizarre episode where Trump's doctor said his "physical strength and health are extraordinary" and he "will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency" if he wins:

http://www.wzzm13.com/news/politics/nat ... /279083848

So let's see:

Populist? Check.

Nationalist? Check.

Obsessed with reversing a supposed community decline? Check.

Scapegoats whole ethnic groups? Check.

Cult of masculinity (with his supposed "extraordinary" physical abilities)? Check.

I daresay Trump is a neofascist.


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21 Jul 2016, 5:48 pm

Internationalists and globalists are killing the west, Trump is the only alternative to this.



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21 Jul 2016, 5:50 pm

Republicans aren't going to do s**t about globalism. It's a populist lie.



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21 Jul 2016, 6:00 pm

AspE wrote:
Republicans aren't going to do s**t about globalism. It's a populist lie.



Well apart from the candidate, the money and media tells me otherwise so if I am betrayed then at least I tried. No other alternative was given with the so called 'mainstream' being almost indistinguishable from one another for decades now, the fearmongering campaign waged by the agents of capital was always expected.



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21 Jul 2016, 6:20 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Internationalists and globalists are killing the west, Trump is the only alternative to this.


Oh yeah? Well I heard that Trump drinks the blood of baby polar bears and tortures thousands of illegal immigrants that he keeps locked in cages in the basement of his casino so he can sell them to the International Fascist KKKonspiracy of Rethuglican neo-Hitlerites who are amassing assault weapons and black helicopters to carry out mass murders of anyone who doesn't have a one-syllable name. What have you got to say about that, Jacoby! What have you got to say about that!


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21 Jul 2016, 6:55 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Internationalists and globalists are killing the west, Trump is the only alternative to this.


Internationalists like these?

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Internationalism is a political principle which advocates a greater political or economic cooperation among nations and peoples,[1] and whose ideological roots can be traced to both socialism and liberalism.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... _(politics)


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21 Jul 2016, 7:02 pm

Does anyone think it's likely that the GOP will give up representing the interests of corporate power? How can you promise prosperity and then force everything we consume to be more expensive? Walmart is just about an American Value by now, and globalism is their business plan.



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21 Jul 2016, 7:28 pm

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Does anyone think it's likely that the GOP will give up representing the interests of corporate power? How can you promise prosperity and then force everything we consume to be more expensive? Walmart is just about an American Value by now, and globalism is their business plan.


Corporate power won't give up since it benefits them to support both parties but it seems clear that they have moved against Trump. Globalism makes the rich richer and the poor poorer, it is not a fair deal and they need us more than we need them. I don't want to sacrifice our quality of life, I don't to averaged out with the third world because means down down down! They try to make us fear the consequences of not doing what they want but again they need us more than we need them, the consequences is that these .0001%ers will lose a whole bunch of money that they've robbed from the working people over the course of the last 40 years. We need jobs, we need a manufacturing base, we need security, we don't need cheap crap from China.



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21 Jul 2016, 7:52 pm

beneficii wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Internationalists and globalists are killing the west, Trump is the only alternative to this.


Internationalists like these?

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Internationalism is a political principle which advocates a greater political or economic cooperation among nations and peoples,[1] and whose ideological roots can be traced to both socialism and liberalism.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... _(politics)


Jacoby,

Please answer my question. By internationalists, are you referring to the definition above?


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21 Jul 2016, 9:20 pm

Jacoby wrote:
AspE wrote:
Does anyone think it's likely that the GOP will give up representing the interests of corporate power? How can you promise prosperity and then force everything we consume to be more expensive? Walmart is just about an American Value by now, and globalism is their business plan.


Corporate power won't give up since it benefits them to support both parties but it seems clear that they have moved against Trump. Globalism makes the rich richer and the poor poorer, it is not a fair deal and they need us more than we need them. I don't want to sacrifice our quality of life, I don't to averaged out with the third world because means down down down! They try to make us fear the consequences of not doing what they want but again they need us more than we need them, the consequences is that these .0001%ers will lose a whole bunch of money that they've robbed from the working people over the course of the last 40 years. We need jobs, we need a manufacturing base, we need security, we don't need cheap crap from China.

How do you do that if your party is against regulating corporations?



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21 Jul 2016, 10:22 pm

The God-awful speech of that retired general Michael Flynn that was supposed to be a highlight of Night 1 of the convention was kicked off with a slogan that recalls "Deustchland erwache!"... in this case, he said "Wake up, America!"...



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21 Jul 2016, 10:40 pm

If Republicans become the next Nazi party and literally follows in its steps, beyond just the rhetoric, then Trump will probably commit suicide after a war and Republicans hunted down like the fascists they are... of course, being 70, far older than Hitler, Trump probably doesn't even care even if he's backed into a corner that death or jail is the only option, as long as he could kill others before...



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21 Jul 2016, 11:04 pm

Kasich claims one of Trump's sons had asked him if he wanted the Vice Presidency, and control domestic and foreign policy. When Kasich had asked what Trump as President would be doing, the answer was, "Making America great Again!" Or in other words, Trump would let someone else run the country, while he reigns as a figurehead. Sure, Trumpites will say - with some justification - that this is just a sore loser blowing smoke out his a$$. But can anyone say that this isn't how he probably runs his businesses, too? I mean, if trump was really the attentive, on the spot businessman of his own personal mythology, why then did so many of his businesses go down the drain?
If Kasich told the truth, then the good news is, Trump will by choice only be President in name. The bad news is, that gay hating, poor people hating, right wing fanatic, Pence, will be President in everything except in name.


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21 Jul 2016, 11:25 pm

Unnamed Sources made that statement not Kasich, does anybody actually believe it? People like the Bush's and Ted Cruz are trying to stir discontent in the party against Trump and to position themselves for 2020, their calculations don't seem the understand that we hate them more than anybody!