Do you know Rodrigo Duterte, the Filipino Drumpf?

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12 Oct 2016, 2:36 am

Massacres have been encouraged, which were very much in his manifesto... this is political fascism in action, anyone who is even suspected of a crime can be killed in this demagogue's world. Then murder, by necessity, is no crime.



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12 Oct 2016, 2:40 am

This is what a real war on drugs looks like.


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12 Oct 2016, 3:22 am

And it will be as successful as the states', or Mexico's own bloody history; drugs will always exist, before and after humanity probably kills itself.



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12 Oct 2016, 5:45 am

Mikah wrote:
This is what a real war on drugs looks like.

As much as I want the war on drugs to be more heavy handed, this guy is something else.


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12 Oct 2016, 9:43 am

It seems his anger toward the United States is partly blowback

NPR recently ran a story linking Duterte's anti-American stance to an incident in which a US citizen engaged in terrorism in Davao was spirited away by the US without consulting with local or national government, events that outraged Duterte, and to his own maternal background in the muslim Moro people who were the targets of US military operations including several notable massacres of civilians, during the colonial period (c.1906)

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2 ... l&f=2,3,46

If you are interested, it's worth following the link within the article to the details about the Jolo/Bud Jao massacre.
[Caution: graphic images of mass graves]
http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/moro-insurgents-1906/
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/davao/local-n ... cre-495916


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12 Oct 2016, 11:31 am

The claims of linking Duterte and the vigilante activity which occurred in the early months of his presidency, have not been definitively proven. There are elements of media engaging in propaganda trying to spin people into believing he is responsible, likely in order to undermine his administration. Has this guy made statements about how he doesn't much mind vigilantism, yes. But this does not prove that his administration is responsible for these events. That would be like claiming President Obama is responsible for the Fergusson riots, because he made some statements in sympathy of protesters.
In the mean time, media elements have been presenting speculation as if it were incriminating, they have been overlooking the information that goes against their narrative. They don't give much mention of the investigations which the government has been making of these incidents, or the hundreds of vigilantes who were arrested by the government, or investigations into the police departments for any rouge officers who may have been tied to incidents.



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12 Oct 2016, 12:39 pm

yelekam wrote:
The claims of linking Duterte and the vigilante activity which occurred in the early months of his presidency, have not been definitively proven.


Can you possibly be serious?

The man promises to kill thousands. Thousands are killed after he assumes office.
He tells police they will be pardoned if they kill illegally. Some Police have admitted to death squad killings... and you think somehow there are facts in doubt here? Maybe others are doing the killing?

That seems bizarre. Do you have any reason for doubting the plainly apparent cause-effect relationship in these events?


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12 Oct 2016, 4:03 pm

The Philippine "incursion", as McKinley's administration called it, was really horrible, from the few sources I've found. 5,000 American soldiers dead, an unknown number of Filipinos dead, but a LOT. The American newspapers, especially W.R. Hearst's, banged the drum for going to war with Spain to "liberate" Cuba (primarily), but when the Filipinos decided they didn't want to be ruled the the US, the subsequent rebellion went down the memory hole-the papers didn't cover it, therefore it pretty much didn't exist as far as the average urban American was concerned.



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12 Oct 2016, 4:13 pm

TheSpectrum wrote:
Mikah wrote:
This is what a real war on drugs looks like.

As much as I want the war on drugs to be more heavy handed, this guy is something else.


And you don't think making the war on drugs more heavy handed would lead to something like this maniac proposes? If anything an entirely different approach than the war on drugs should be taken. War on drugs is doomed to fail since there always have been and always will be drugs and mind altering substances.


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12 Oct 2016, 4:15 pm

I don't think this is a Filipino trump though, I might not like Trump but I don't think he'd call for this kind of thing to be honest.


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12 Oct 2016, 4:18 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
TheSpectrum wrote:
Mikah wrote:
This is what a real war on drugs looks like.

As much as I want the war on drugs to be more heavy handed, this guy is something else.


And you don't think making the war on drugs more heavy handed would lead to something like this maniac proposes? If anything an entirely different approach than the war on drugs should be taken. War on drugs is doomed to fail since there always have been and always will be drugs and mind altering substances.


Plus it was mostly a back-handed way to disenfranchise minorities. The WoD has been referred to as "the new Jim Crow."


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12 Oct 2016, 9:48 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
I don't think this is a Filipino trump though, I might not like Trump but I don't think he'd call for this kind of thing to be honest.


Don't tell Mootoo, linking every bad thing in the world to Trump is his special interest.


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13 Oct 2016, 5:04 am

Dox47 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
I don't think this is a Filipino trump though, I might not like Trump but I don't think he'd call for this kind of thing to be honest.


Don't tell Mootoo, linking every bad thing in the world to Trump is his special interest.

Heh.

@Sweetleaf - I agree. Trump wouldn't go anywhere near that far. I have to say his comments directed at the Cartels "Your days are numbered"...it's about time someone said those things and took a genuine interest in dismantling such groups. The WoD was definitely a means to incarcerate more African Americans. The funny thing is the Democrats were mostly responsible for that happening.


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13 Oct 2016, 7:03 pm

Sometimes I think law enforcement needs to be disbanded everywhere. They're nothing but state-sponsored terrorists. In the southern U.S., and states like Kansas, Utah, and Idaho, they are basically the Christian Taliban.

Laws against drugs, alcohol, and public nudity all violate separation of church and state. And if we can make fornication mandatory, that would be ideal.


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