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Hillary Clinton was not the victim of a cheating husband but a willing co-conspirator of her sex addicted / sex offender husband because she's obsessed with power. If she pretends to be a supporter of women and minorities, why can we trust her on anything? Kelly Shelton is a perfect example of why Hillary should NEVER be president. Getting her rapist off was her job as a public defender but her conduct of blaming the victim and laughing about polygraphs afterward was not and was totally unbecoming.

With the wikileaks release, we get the truth. She hates Latinos/Hispanics. She hates gays. She hates Catholics. She hates Christians. She takes money from those who hate women. Yet all three groups, we hear how she's a champion for them. So it's a good idea to not believe her. Trump is definitely a bully and has a bad personality but it pales in comparison to the character issues that Hillary has. I don't believe the woman's story is credible. It was in first class. It was 30 years ago yet she didn't file a report right away or soon after. There was an armrest. There were plenty of flight attendants. It probably didn't happen.

Best wishes. God bless all those who vote for Trump - Conservative Republicans are truly being persecuted by the media and even other Republicans. Black Republicans are called Uncle Toms and those with disabilities are called sellouts.

I'd rather a job than a Democratic handout, a paycheck not a food-stamp. A doctor that I pay for not higher taxes and a socialist bureaucrat doctor run by the government. A second opinion not an endless waiting list like at the VA. A friendly Muslim rather than an extremist one because of not vetting the immigrants to our country. The ability to share my faith vs my ability only to discuss it with fellow Christians. The ability to own a gun vs the ability for the government to commit genocide. A news media that reports the news vs a propoganda machine that tells us liberal policies and ignores conservative policies.

Last edited by sunset47 on 13 Oct 2016, 9:49 pm, edited 2 times in total.

You had me until the second paragraph.

Memory isn't perfect. If she was groped by Trump on a plane, she would certainly remember in general terms that she was violated (being violated by a celebrity isn't something you forget unless you blacked it out/dissociated the event). What she might have fabricated is an armrest that wasn't there. This doesn't necessarily mean that she wasn't groped by Trump. Sometimes details get distorted over time. Also, we need to look at all the complaints against Trump,not just this particular one.

As for the wait time, I don't have the energy to debate that one right Maybe someone else can.

I have some sympathy for Hillary on this particular issue. Even though she was in the wrong to discredit Bill's accusers, she probably felt great pressure to defend him in the public eye. There also might have been a lot of denial on her part. She knew about the affairs but maybe she didn't want to believe the assaults?

I can agree with you on this. While I believe she was power-hungry, this is a reasonable assertion. She also wouldn't want to believe her husband did anything that was not consensual.

In terms of the plane, I might agree as to the details getting fuzzy. I just think the timing is suspicious because she could have reported it anytime. The news media could have released it earlier. It appears to have been timed. It's weird that Herman Cain faced the same attacks in 2012 and once he withdrew from the race (or lost), the allegations stopped. If the allegations are true, you'd think they'd stick even after the person drops out (or losses).

Thanks for the new perspective. We don't have to agree with each other but even in our disagreements, we can totally learn from each other.

Sure, and you should absolutely be blamed for literally anything your partner does too, and don't dare deny it... thread title is hypocritical if you're willing to admit someone's husband is a sex addict but somehow the orangutan a saint.

It depends on how you deal with the fact that your husband cheated on you! And as an attorney, your job is to win! But there are also ethics and human decency. This is something that Hillary lacked. Furthermore, she's been a feminist all this time and that should put her at a higher standard than another woman who doesn't claim to be a champion of women.

I'm not totally up to date on this particular Hillary scandal, but I got the impression the bad mark on her name was not that she was married to the man but that she actively (and perhaps forcefully) helped cover up his sexcapades. Questionable behaviour on its own but completely against all her pro-female rhetoric especially around rape and sexual assault.

Trump on the other hand is a rich gorilla without much of a female-pandering side to his platform, unless you include calling certain women fat and ugly. I don't think anyone was hugely surprised about his "revelations".

So essentially she is just as bad as trump.

An optimist might say that while Trump is certainly an arse, Hillary is a two-faced hypocritical arse.

If she is two-faced, he is million-faced, although mainly the one oozing hate.

Put hate to one side, an overused term. To my knowledge Trump has been reasonably consistent in his views for some time. Hillary is all over the place, not just on this rape-is-bad-but-not-when-my-husband-does-it issue, but on many major political issues over the last 10 years. In her recently leaked private speech she talked of having "public positions and private positions" on many matters. I don't think Trump qualifies as two-faced or million-faced, certainly not very pleasant views for some people, nor a polite persona, but about as one-faced as you can get in a politician.

Trump is trying to ooze fear. Terrorism and the economy are not back to normal. 95 million people out of the labor force, 20% of the populations have a household without a single worker. Not achieving 3% growth during ANY of the 8 years of the Obama presidency. Doubt is inability to say that Obama's economy has failed. Doubt to say that he will build wall. Doubt that he will have any political correctness and will always say the wrong things even to foreign dictators. Doubt he will trust his advisers, something as president he will have to do when he gets off campaign mode.

Clinton is trying to say confidence: unemployment below 5%. Terrorism non-existent. ISIS, the JV team. Al Qeada, yesterday's news. Russia, the cold war was back in the 1980s. Abortion available for any woman who needs it at any time. Economy stronger than ever and that we recovered from the brink of the worst recessions since the GD. Doubt that she believes in comprehensive immigration reform instead wanting totally open boarders. Doubt that she is against TPP being for a completely open border and open hemisphere. Doubt that she will end generational poverty.

Anything is possible.

This is probably her worst mistake in this campaign. People aren't becoming reactionaries because of hidden bigotry, or stupidity, it's because things really were better in the past, in living memory, for millions and millions of people (especially working and middle class whites) across the West. Then this rich fool comes along and says things are awesome with a cherry on top, you deplorable racists. It's no wonder they are flocking to the other rich fool who acknowledges their pain as real and justified and offers some (admittedly not entirely practical) solutions.

Been raised democrat, voted for Obama twice having believed he just couldn't get anything done with no cooperation from the rest of the system, but have since lost a lot of faith and respect for the party as a whole due to Sanders "losing" to Clinton - not only that but also him back pedaling hard afterwards like a cuck. What a joke.

Not long ago I would have said there's a certain level of professionalism to expect from a president, but seeing corruption come up and always associated with Clinton, Trump's "hate" speech(which is always slanted in a specific way by the media) is the least of my worries. I don't think anyone will care what he might think about some consenting groupies or some illegal aliens if Shariah law or something very close to it is a real possibility. Never mind 1984's version of the Internet being implemented. Get your free speech in now while you still can.

Of course I should have seen it earlier on, as with many others, being atheist, and seeing firsthand the hypocrisy of atheism+. Feminism, black lives matter, intersectionality, etc. All that claim to be for equality and yet only serve to segregate, shunning those who are apparently the wrong type of gay or woman or transgender or whatever else. I would prefer to steer clear of those who can decide I'm a dissenter on a whim. For those who believe that they are immune because you specifically aren't racist or sexist, well, I think you might be just a tad naive.

I don't think that any of the following people exemplify how people should behave toward women: Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton. We all know why.

One woman I think is handling herself gracefully is Michelle Obama:

If you look it up it seems like the "only fixed armrests in first class at that time" theory has been debunked. Turns out that wasn't true which makes her story as she told it plausible (no need to even account for memory inaccuracies).

People can and will believe whatever helps them sleep at night though.

This pretty much sums up the level of the debate right here. I know you are but what am I?