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25 Oct 2016, 10:29 am

President Obama said that he found out about Hillary's private email server from the news but the latest Wikileaks posting seems to suggest otherwise

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From:[email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date: 2015-03-07 21:41
Subject: Fwd: POTUS on HRC emails

we need to clean this up - he has emails from her - they do not say state.gov
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Nick Merrill <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 6:39 PM
Subject: Fwd: POTUS on HRC emails
To: Philippe Reines <[email protected]>, Heather Samuelson <
[email protected]>, Cheryl Mills <[email protected]>


Begin forwarded message:

*From:* Josh Schwerin <[email protected]>
*Date:* March 7, 2015 at 6:33:44 PM EST
*To:* Jennifer Palmieri <[email protected]>, Kristina Schake <
[email protected]>, Nick Merrill <[email protected]>, Jesse
Ferguson <[email protected]>
*Subject:* *POTUS on HRC emails*

https://twitter.com/katherinemiller/sta ... 29/photo/1

Jen you probably have more on this but it looks like POTUS just said he
found out HRC was using her personal email when he saw it in the news.


--
Josh Schwerin


https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/31077

Pretty bold faced lie and I think one that implicates a cover up with the president, pretty sure those emails weren't turned over.



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25 Oct 2016, 11:20 am

I now think that this is what the mysterious tarmac meeting between Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch was about. Bill told her that if Hillary is indicted, she will take Obama down with her.

Oh and I'm sure they talked about the grandkids too, and probably yoga.


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25 Oct 2016, 11:36 am

Yeah, those emails seem incriminating to me.

The sad thing about this email scandal is it just confirms what we all already new but couldn't prove (politicians lie). It makes a person question whether the whole system of government needs to be overturned and replaced with something else.



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25 Oct 2016, 11:37 am

He's a liar when it comes to money. Not once, did he do anything to help the American economy.


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25 Oct 2016, 12:02 pm

Darmok wrote:
I now think that this is what the mysterious tarmac meeting between Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch was about. Bill told her that if Hillary is indicted, she will take Obama down with her.

Oh----GOOD point (if you mean "HILLARY will take Obama down with her").

Good grief!! Is there some kind of "liar gene", or something, that makes one predestined to become a politician?







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25 Oct 2016, 12:06 pm

we need a special prosecutor, this is Watergate-level stuff

Hillary and Obama need to be held accountable, they obviously can not be trusted to investigate themselves.



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25 Oct 2016, 2:49 pm

If they investigated every politician in the U.S. congress for their lies and corruption we'd lose well over half of them on both sides of the aisle.

Politicians aren't being held accountable by the American people, rather they are being protected. While people point out the crimes and hypocrisy of the other party they shamelessly overlook the same being done by the party that they support.

People have forgotten that their primary responsibility as a voter is to keep their own party in line. Seriously, How the hell can people attack the other party for wrong doing while their own party is doing the same damn thing?!?

American voters have been dumbed down to the point where "the lesser of two evils" is acceptable.


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25 Oct 2016, 8:06 pm

To me, the biggest Obama scandal is FATCA, raising the fee for relinquishing citizenship from $0 to $2350 in just 2 years (2014-2015), and other measures to throw expats under the bus.


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29 Oct 2016, 5:31 pm

Show me a politician that is honest. Just show me.


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30 Oct 2016, 1:16 am

Even if the President is hiding prior knowledge about what server Clinton had used, it pales in comparison to how his predecessor had lied us into a disastrous war, and had allowed his Wall Street buddies to nearly wreck the economy. All this server talk is just small potatoes, and hardly qualifies as being anywhere near the stature of Watergate.


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31 Oct 2016, 11:05 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Even if the President is hiding prior knowledge about what server Clinton had used, it pales in comparison to how his predecessor had lied us into a disastrous war, and had allowed his Wall Street buddies to nearly wreck the economy. All this server talk is just small potatoes, and hardly qualifies as being anywhere near the stature of Watergate.


Hi K,

Just had to throw in my typically uninformed opinion here.

The way I see it Clinton colluded with Obama from the start. She had more electoral votes at the time she endorsed Obama for President, WHY WOULD SHE DROP OUT???

The obvious answer is because she would be gifted with the title of Sec. of State and then have HIS endorsement for presidency....it just seems so obvious because this is exactly what happened.

She's had 8 years to scheme and plan and plot (and f-up the Sec. job horribly) and now comes the result of all her scheming and plotting over the last eight years. She will deliver a horrible blow to our country. She should be stopped, and recent events lend a glimmer of hope. YAY!! !



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31 Oct 2016, 12:46 pm

ZenDen wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Even if the President is hiding prior knowledge about what server Clinton had used, it pales in comparison to how his predecessor had lied us into a disastrous war, and had allowed his Wall Street buddies to nearly wreck the economy. All this server talk is just small potatoes, and hardly qualifies as being anywhere near the stature of Watergate.


Hi K,

Just had to throw in my typically uninformed opinion here.

The way I see it Clinton colluded with Obama from the start. She had more electoral votes at the time she endorsed Obama for President, WHY WOULD SHE DROP OUT???

The obvious answer is because she would be gifted with the title of Sec. of State and then have HIS endorsement for presidency....it just seems so obvious because this is exactly what happened.

She's had 8 years to scheme and plan and plot (and f-up the Sec. job horribly) and now comes the result of all her scheming and plotting over the last eight years. She will deliver a horrible blow to our country. She should be stopped, and recent events lend a glimmer of hope. YAY!! !


Considering the alternative, I'll feel safer with Clinton.


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31 Oct 2016, 1:00 pm

RoadRatt wrote:
If they investigated every politician in the U.S. congress for their lies and corruption we'd lose well over half of them on both sides of the aisle.

Politicians aren't being held accountable by the American people, rather they are being protected. While people point out the crimes and hypocrisy of the other party they shamelessly overlook the same being done by the party that they support.

People have forgotten that their primary responsibility as a voter is to keep their own party in line. Seriously, How the hell can people attack the other party for wrong doing while their own party is doing the same damn thing?!?

American voters have been dumbed down to the point where "the lesser of two evils" is acceptable.


Yep exactly. Just imagine if Trump's emails were out- it would show all his cons he's done, very likely his sexual assaults that he is hiding, etc. I think Assange should be locked up, he wont admit he is for republicans but honestly I think he is. Why hasn't Trump been hacked if Assange doesn't want Trump in? It seems too suspicious.

Or just in general- imagine if emails and more information about any house or senate member was shown- it would prove how corrupt the system is. But then what? I think USA would be in chaos and people would act irrational and it would be hell. The system is broke and there really isnt a good way to fix it.

The election this year is just horrid. I wish Americans would just sit at home and vote for no one. Both candidates are seriously flawed and don't belong in the White House.. period.



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31 Oct 2016, 2:03 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Even if the President is hiding prior knowledge about what server Clinton had used, it pales in comparison to how his predecessor had lied us into a disastrous war, and had allowed his Wall Street buddies to nearly wreck the economy. All this server talk is just small potatoes, and hardly qualifies as being anywhere near the stature of Watergate.

Absolutely, there is no moral equivalence here. Bush killed thousands, maybe a million indirectly, and they scream about Benghazi? WTF.



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31 Oct 2016, 2:09 pm

Thread Title wrote:
Obama Is A Liar


Obama is a politician.



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31 Oct 2016, 3:30 pm

ZenDen wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Even if the President is hiding prior knowledge about what server Clinton had used, it pales in comparison to how his predecessor had lied us into a disastrous war, and had allowed his Wall Street buddies to nearly wreck the economy. All this server talk is just small potatoes, and hardly qualifies as being anywhere near the stature of Watergate.


Hi K,

Just had to throw in my typically uninformed opinion here.

The way I see it Clinton colluded with Obama from the start. She had more electoral votes at the time she endorsed Obama for President, WHY WOULD SHE DROP OUT???

The obvious answer is because she would be gifted with the title of Sec. of State and then have HIS endorsement for presidency....it just seems so obvious because this is exactly what happened.

She's had 8 years to scheme and plan and plot (and f-up the Sec. job horribly) and now comes the result of all her scheming and plotting over the last eight years. She will deliver a horrible blow to our country. She should be stopped, and recent events lend a glimmer of hope. YAY!! !

The correct answer is that the bolded bit is wrong or misleading, depending on exactly what you mean. More elected delegates had been pledged for Obama and he'd also secured enough superdelegates to guarantee him the nomination. Clinton potentially having slightly more raw votes is irrelevant because nominees aren't chosen on the popular vote. She'd been clinging on for months with no realistic chance of winning. Her lead in votes was because Obama did better at caucuses, and because he didn't contest Michigan for technical reasons.

No way the older candidate would drop out on the off chance she could get a useful endorsement in eight years. Too much uncertainty - what if Obama had lost in 2008 or 2012, or Clinton couldn't win the nomination in 2016, or 2016 was less favourable to the Dems?