Holodomor: Remembering the Communist Genocide in Ukraine

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The 4th Saturday in November is Holodomor Memorial Day, in memory of the 2.5 to 7 million people of Ukraine starved to death by Stalin's "terror-famine" in 1932-33.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

"Survival was a moral as well as a physical struggle. A woman doctor wrote to a friend in June 1933 that she had not yet become a cannibal, but was 'not sure that I shall not be one by the time my letter reaches you.' The good people died first. Those who refused to steal or to prostitute themselves died. Those who gave food to others died. Those who refused to eat corpses died. Those who refused to kill their fellow man died. Parents who resisted cannibalism died before their children did."

I'm always surprised at how many people have no knowledge of this...

I did a project on Holodomor once in Social Studies. It was a tragic event that I take personally as a Ukrainian Canadian. It's a shame it isn't widely recognized, and that many people dismiss it as a hoax.

Never forget.

The country was a phenomenal hellhole from 1918 through the late 1950's. Interestingly the soviet people didn't each much better than those in the gulags and anyone who wasn't in gulag was always one accidental slip or social acquaintance away from being in gulag themselves. Also as they came in through Germany at the defeat of Hitler those Russians who were POW's in the German concentration camps were taken back to Russia, thrown in gulag, and were treated worse than in the Nazi camps. They'd throw their servicemen in gulag when they returned home for having seen Europe and any ex-patriots who returned home who wanted to be part of the new system were also thrown immediately in gulag.

Their legal system really became a 20th century Star Chamber Court where - because the system was a disaster - they need millions upon millions of spies and sabateurs to justify the failings and similarly, like witches at Star Chamber Court, you couldn't have survived being in the hands of the Germans in theory without having become a spy. If you came from anywhere abroad you were a spy. If you were a train engineer trying to tell the communist party that they were overloading the trains or exceeding the carrying capacity of the tracks you were a wrecker and thrown in gulag. If you put enough money into fixing the tracks so they could hold the capacity they needed you were considered a wrecker for having wasted the money and sent straight to gulag. If you did nothing, as they asked, and the tracks broke you were a wrecker, a spy, and sent straight to gulag. If you were in any position of responsibility you literally couldn't win - if anything went wrong at all, your fault or anyone else's, it would be off to gulag for having even been there.

Needless to say we really need to study this epoch of human history closely as well as consider that this is pretty close to how North Korea operates today.

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I used to wonder why we heard so little about Stalin's purges and what all else went on under his regime but then it dawned on me that most of our media and academia is controlled by a majority of liberals. It all became clear to me then...

And if it were run by extreme conservatives, they'd probably cover up the Holocaust the same way. Whatever the case, extremism sucks, and the far-left and far-right aren't all that different. I can respect liberals, and I can respect conservatives, but I don't care for extremists.

Fully agreed.

More people need to be educated about this. This is an example of what could happen if the wrong people gain power.

No, we'd be much more calculating and methodical in our genocide. After all, the left doesn't equate us to nazis for nothing.

I'm a big believer in the horseshoe theory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

Me too. The extreme right and the extreme left will use the same means to maintain power and quash dissent.

Actually the horseshoe theory reminds me of the ending from Animal Farm.

Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

True, look at the way leftists like the Prime Minister of Canada eulogizes Fidel Castro, the brutal dictator of Cuba. They ignore his many atrocities because he's a fellow communist. I won't go into detail because I don't want to derail this thread anymore than I already have.

Then, they restrict access to food, and other, useful resources, on specious grounds.

Nestle takes from our local water table, in the southern deserts. (Cabazon, CA)

And, our reservoirs are recharged from water, piped from the languishing, northern part of our state, 500mi away. (Where all the fruit and nut trees died.) It was in a free flyer, on the wall of Beaumont City Hall, where it was made illegal to water the cherry orchards.

I watched where lush, productive avocados and grapefruit where bulldozed, next to running streams, in the greater San Diego area, personally split and burnt the wood.

But, the Dervaes family was able to produce an overabundance of food, from cistern water, on a small plot.

You are facing intentional shortages, in there-and-now, readers.

Did you know there were productive farmers, in Ethiopia? Also, in other, starving, Communist hellholes?

They were found guilty of the crime of original or primitive accumulation of wealth. Food was burnt in the streets and the farmers shot.