does any 1 identify with v old testament definition of angel

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16 Dec 2016, 10:31 pm

does any one identify with the old testaments definition of angels?
the old testament, where the angels are sent by God to install justice
by getting rid of the people who have defiled the earth to such an
extent that they have made God angry...

Now, this definition of angels is not to be confused with the poofy cherubs or the beautiful sexy naked woman
with wings that we all dream of being married to.

but more like a bad ass (and possibly blasphemies if you are a christian) perception of angels who come down to earth to sort things out when things get out of hand. as in sodom and gomorrha and when Moses was born etc.

that kind of supernatural angel that sees the world in black and white, that only knows the path of justice and righteousness and who protect the innocent and righteous while destroying those who defile the earth with their presence and actions.

I speculate that some aspo's are nephthalim, hybrid human / hybrid, who have been sent by God to make things good. That explains their limited human attributes, their good nature and their natural inclination to righteousness.

Anyone out there also identify with the bad ass angels of the old testament?



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16 Dec 2016, 11:48 pm

No.

Can't say that I do.

Its true that once Christianity spread beyond Judea the early Christians appropriated the Pagan Greek Nike figures (like the Winged Victory) as the visual for "angels". Lovely females with dove wings. And thats not how the Old Testament Hebrews described angels at all. The real angels were usually male. And in fact they were a little too male, and liked to knock up mortal human females (and produce hybrid giants and men of renown and all of that).

But far from being the enforcers for god modern aspies tend to be the victims of bullying by the flawed mortals around them in need of divine protection, rather than instigating protection.



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17 Dec 2016, 3:17 pm

I don't think ridding the world of people to achieve justice is a laudable goal. It sounds similar to what some SJWs believe- "we need to rid the world of white people to achieve justice".

The body of the "Old Testament" is just as the name implies- old. It reflects many societal beliefs that are considered unacceptable now, for example that gay sex is a sin.

So no I don't identify with it.


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17 Dec 2016, 4:54 pm

That's what my faith has me believe, so I guess I do believe in them. I don't think they've done much in the last few hundred years though.



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18 Dec 2016, 1:53 pm

Aren't old-testament angels basically Lovecraftian monstrosities consisting mostly of wings?


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18 Dec 2016, 2:16 pm

bowtruckle wrote:
That's what my faith has me believe, so I guess I do believe in them. I don't think they've done much in the last few hundred years though.


Yep.

The last time anyone observed angels do anything dramatic was in circa 1840 when they visited Joseph Smith and told him to found Mormonism. Folks claimed to have seen angels land on his roof, or something.

And before that angels hadnt done much for a LONG time. Angels kinda kept a low profile after the First Century AD. God only knows why.



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18 Dec 2016, 3:10 pm

madbutnotmad wrote:
Anyone out there also identify with the bad ass angels of the old testament?

Well, sort-of----in the sense that I believe God wants us all to take care of / look out for / love one another, and that's what I try to do----but, NOT in the sense that I think I've been good enough at being all that is my understanding of what He has asked us to be (loving, kind, giving, patient, etc.), to have actually been chosen by God to be an "all-out" angel.

I DO believe that all who believe-in / follow God, can HELP "sort things out when things get out of hand"----for instance, if someone were to come to me, saying that they were angry at God because their mother died, and ask me what they should do to not be angry at Him anymore, I would feel a sense of duty (because I'm a follower) to speak with them about God, and try to help them get back to where they want to be, in their relationship with Him.





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18 Dec 2016, 3:24 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
bowtruckle wrote:
That's what my faith has me believe, so I guess I do believe in them. I don't think they've done much in the last few hundred years though.

Yep. The last time anyone observed angels do anything dramatic was in circa 1840 when they visited Joseph Smith and told him to found Mormonism. Folks claimed to have seen angels land on his roof, or something.

And before that angels hadnt done much for a LONG time. Angels kinda kept a low profile after the First Century AD. God only knows why.

Well, it was not my understanding that the OP was asking if anyone believes-in angels----but, I believe God's host of angels works very hard everyday, TO-this-day; and, I'm thinking that if someone hasn't heard-of an angel's existence / "work" for "the last few hundred years", or since Joseph Smith, that it's quite possible it is because they haven't been receptive of it. I have often read / heard people saying that they knew angels were watching-out for them----but, that doesn't always mean that one actually SEES an angel(s), but that they SENSE what they believe to be them (there's been MANY times, throughout my life, that I believe God "had a hand in it" [my life], or else I wouldn't be here).




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18 Dec 2016, 6:55 pm

I'd say no.

It seems like every major culture, at a minimum in the west, has had angels in its vocabulary. Cherubs were part of Babylonian architecture and some suggest that the sphinx may have had had human head, lion body, and possible bull tail with wings for the eagle (ie. the alternate interpretation of Scorpio).

Old testament seems to get down that they're terrifyingly powerful forces that can be equally terrifying to see just on their appearance. The newer versions probably have the only relevant point of pulling them away from an exlusively Abrahamic application.

Also another thing that's always good - browse an occult forum for answers! You can clear away a lot of the 'this should look like this' or 'that should do that according to this book'; way better to size up people's experiences and descriptions.


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20 Dec 2016, 3:16 am

madbutnotmad wrote:
Anyone out there also identify with the bad ass angels of the old testament?
No. I prefer the beautiful sexy naked woman with wings that we all dream of being married to.


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20 Dec 2016, 3:51 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Its true that once Christianity spread beyond Judea the early Christians appropriated the Pagan Greek Nike figures (like the Winged Victory) as the visual for "angels".
Very interesting. Did any other pagan mythology find it's way into the old or new testament?


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20 Dec 2016, 5:49 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Its true that once Christianity spread beyond Judea the early Christians appropriated the Pagan Greek Nike figures (like the Winged Victory) as the visual for "angels".
Very interesting. Did any other pagan mythology find it's way into the old or new testament?


I think that you mean "do paganisms creep into Christianity despite NOT being in the either the OT, or the NT?"

Absolutely. The Bible describes Christ's birth, and the events surrounding it, but scripture doesn't specify what date on the calendar he was born. Centuries later the Church declared that the date we celebrate his birth to be December 25th which just happened to be the same date that the Romans had been celebrating the birth of their Pagan Sun God Sol Invictus. In fact most ancient cultures had some kind of "festival of lights" around the time of the shortest day of the year, which is the Winter Solstice, which is around Dec. 25th..

There are several (and sometimes conflicting) accounts of Christ's resurrection in the NT, but none of them mention either eggs, or bunny rabbits. Eggs and bunny rabbits had long been Pagan European fertility symbols associated with spring before Christianity arrived.