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02 Jan 2017, 4:24 am

I remember reading a post-election analysis written in November by an Iranian-American who said that prior to the Iranian Revolution their parents were modern and progressive (and elitist) and saw themselves as pushing Iran forward, but the conservatives were very dissatisfied with the changes because they thought Iranian national values were being disregarded; in their anger and fear, they revolted, overthrowing the Shah and bringing us the Iranian Revolution. This Iranian-American says they're parents then moved to the States and as this person grew up they thought the right to vote was very important.

Does anyone know where I can find this article again?


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02 Jan 2017, 4:25 am

Well, waddya know. Typing the OP helped me rethink the search terms I was using and I found it!

https://politicalviolenceataglance.org/ ... -election/


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02 Jan 2017, 5:16 am

I liked this article, and it caused me to think about why I hold the positions I do. I'd like to describe how my personal experience living in the South has led me to my current beliefs.

I lived more than half my life in the South, and I am transgender and disabled. As I began to transition a few years ago, things were looking up at first, but I needed to get surgery. However, due to my impairments, saving up money and paying rent at the same time weren't options. I tried getting insurance to cover it, but it wouldn't, and I became increasingly despondent and depressed, leading to multiple hospitalizations and eventually going on disability. I wasn't battling just being transgender or being disabled; I was battling both, with all the attendant complications. However, the attitude of the people in the South was largely unforgiving; they said that I'm supposed to be able to do it myself, as though my impairments didn't exist, or that I should just get over it and quit blaming other people. I knew I needed insurance to pay for it, but I felt stuck with no way out and just sorta drifted on, and I began seeing the region and the apartment I lived in as a death trap, a dead-end.

Then in late 2015, because of financial circumstances, I wasn't going to keep my apartment and was going to be homeless anyway, and I figured to at least do that in Cali, because insurance covers surgery there. After moving to California, I had a hard time, but I began looking up because I was making progress. I was able to get some surgery done with more on the way, I'm starting to come out of my shell more, and now I think I can probably get back to work in the next few years. I feel my goals, get sex reassignment surgery, get a job in Japan, and others, are actually attainable now. This is because California invests in its citizens.

California does quite well for it, taking back less from the federal government than California taxpayers pay to the IRS, while the (red) state I moved from is heavily dependent on the federal government. The red state I moved from on the other hand, moves into politics with the "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" mentality, with no investment. I mean, this is great if you can get a good thing going on your own, but if you start from a disadvantage or if something happens, your situation just gets worse and worse as there is no real support to get you back up out of it.

I know the way red-staters think, but it's just backwards and misguided. The place for me was just a dead-end of despair and I wasn't getting anywhere. That approach doesn't work.


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02 Jan 2017, 12:03 pm

When I woke up the day after the election and found that Trump had won, I immediately thought, "Well, we've finally had that conservative revolution that's been predicted for ages. Thank god it was peaceful." I was also reminded of, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable", can't remember who said it, maybe JFK. The powers that be tried their darnedest to make peaceful revolution impossible. They should be thankful they failed, since it would be their bodies hanging from the gallows had they succeeded.



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02 Jan 2017, 4:38 pm

pezar wrote:
When I woke up the day after the election and found that Trump had won, I immediately thought, "Well, we've finally had that conservative revolution that's been predicted for ages. Thank god it was peaceful." I was also reminded of, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable", can't remember who said it, maybe JFK. The powers that be tried their darnedest to make peaceful revolution impossible. They should be thankful they failed, since it would be their bodies hanging from the gallows had they succeeded.


Then I would hope at least conservatives will let states like California do things our own way and not interfere with our experiments in democracy.


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02 Jan 2017, 4:59 pm

I live in southern California, where my life was threated by a Nazi lowrider type of person, in highschool.

He is now in a neighborhood watch group, nearby, and flying the red, white, and blue.

The more-vocal, racial, and political minorities are still walking around like they own the place, particularly, as they occupy most of the houses, here.

(Where is my Spock or Data emotion.)

This so-called peaceful transition hasn't been completed, yet.



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02 Jan 2017, 5:33 pm

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I live in southern California, where my life was threated by a Nazi lowrider type of person, in highschool.

He is now in a neighborhood watch group, nearby, and flying the red, white, and blue.

The more-vocal, racial, and political minorities are still walking around like they own the place, particularly, as they occupy most of the houses, here.

(Where is my Spock or Data emotion.)

This so-called peaceful transition hasn't been completed, yet.


Are you talking about squatters? Who are you seeing doing whatever you're talking about?


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02 Jan 2017, 5:42 pm

beneficii wrote:
pezar wrote:
When I woke up the day after the election and found that Trump had won, I immediately thought, "Well, we've finally had that conservative revolution that's been predicted for ages. Thank god it was peaceful." I was also reminded of, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable", can't remember who said it, maybe JFK. The powers that be tried their darnedest to make peaceful revolution impossible. They should be thankful they failed, since it would be their bodies hanging from the gallows had they succeeded.


Then I would hope at least conservatives will let states like California do things our own way and not interfere with our experiments in democracy.


I voted for The Donald, but I really did not expect him to win. He not only won, but he carried the American Heartland. The only place where Hillary scored was in the major metropolitan areas.


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02 Jan 2017, 6:05 pm

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beneficii wrote:
pezar wrote:
When I woke up the day after the election and found that Trump had won, I immediately thought, "Well, we've finally had that conservative revolution that's been predicted for ages. Thank god it was peaceful." I was also reminded of, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable", can't remember who said it, maybe JFK. The powers that be tried their darnedest to make peaceful revolution impossible. They should be thankful they failed, since it would be their bodies hanging from the gallows had they succeeded.


Then I would hope at least conservatives will let states like California do things our own way and not interfere with our experiments in democracy.


I voted for The Donald, but I really did not expect him to win. He not only won, but he carried the American Heartland. The only place where Hillary scored was in the major metropolitan areas.


People in major metro areas are just as much citizens and Americans as you are, and our votes and voices count, or should count, just as much.


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02 Jan 2017, 6:59 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
I live in southern California, where my life was threated by a Nazi lowrider type of person, in highschool.

He is now in a neighborhood watch group, nearby, and flying the red, white, and blue.

The more-vocal, racial, and political minorities are still walking around like they own the place, particularly, as they occupy most of the houses, here.

(Where is my Spock or Data emotion.)

This so-called peaceful transition hasn't been completed, yet.


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Are you talking about squatters?


Since they are not assimilated, and their right to ownership will not be recognized, let's call them squatters.

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Who are you seeing doing whatever you're talking about?


Let's say, minority members and liberal interests.

They are still rather rambunctious, in the face of deportations.



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02 Jan 2017, 8:35 pm

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I live in southern California, where my life was threated by a Nazi lowrider type of person, in highschool.

He is now in a neighborhood watch group, nearby, and flying the red, white, and blue.

The more-vocal, racial, and political minorities are still walking around like they own the place, particularly, as they occupy most of the houses, here.

(Where is my Spock or Data emotion.)

This so-called peaceful transition hasn't been completed, yet.


beneficii wrote:
Are you talking about squatters?


Since they are not assimilated, and their right to ownership will not be recognized, let's call them squatters.

friedmacguffins wrote:
Who are you seeing doing whatever you're talking about?


Let's say, minority members and liberal interests.

They are still rather rambunctious, in the face of deportations.


News flash: In California, they are the majority.


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02 Jan 2017, 9:36 pm

What newsflash.

Several hours ago, I said that peaceful transition has not occurred, yet.

I have lived, here, for roughly 30yrs.

I have seen white people, specifically Germans, displaced, from up and down my street.

I still remember the names.



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02 Jan 2017, 9:42 pm

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What newsflash.

Several hours ago, I said that peaceful transition has not occurred, yet.

I have lived, here, for roughly 30yrs.

I have seen white people, specifically Germans, displaced, from up and down my street.

I still remember the names.


Even deporting illegal immigrants won't change the fact that California is a plurality state and liberals are politically dominant, so I would like to know what you envision by "peaceful transition".


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02 Jan 2017, 9:47 pm

BaalChatzaf wrote:
beneficii wrote:
pezar wrote:
When I woke up the day after the election and found that Trump had won, I immediately thought, "Well, we've finally had that conservative revolution that's been predicted for ages. Thank god it was peaceful." I was also reminded of, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable", can't remember who said it, maybe JFK. The powers that be tried their darnedest to make peaceful revolution impossible. They should be thankful they failed, since it would be their bodies hanging from the gallows had they succeeded.


Then I would hope at least conservatives will let states like California do things our own way and not interfere with our experiments in democracy.


I voted for The Donald, but I really did not expect him to win. He not only won, but he carried the American Heartland. The only place where Hillary scored was in the major metropolitan areas.


You do realise that Drump lost the popular vote by almost 3,000,000 votes.



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02 Jan 2017, 10:15 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
What newsflash.

Several hours ago, I said that peaceful transition has not occurred, yet.

I have lived, here, for roughly 30yrs.

I have seen white people, specifically Germans, displaced, from up and down my street.

I still remember the names.


beneficii wrote:
Even deporting illegal immigrants won't change the fact that California is a plurality state

What plurality, assuming that deportations do occur.

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and liberals are politically dominant, so I would like to know what you envision by "peaceful transition".

Many of you can't play music, drink a beer, have a discussion, or even ring a doorbell, peacably, without honking from the street-- alot. You drench your lawns, during drought advisories, turn on Christmas lights, a day before Thanksgiving, and beat your women in the church parkinglot.

I am saying this, as someone who has turned down employment, strong arming them, and who is considered a minority, myself. I have spoken, publicly, in favor of better working conditions, for them, and honored them, in open court.

As a civil person, myself, I don't envision a peaceful transition.



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02 Jan 2017, 10:25 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
friedmacguffins wrote:
What newsflash.

Several hours ago, I said that peaceful transition has not occurred, yet.

I have lived, here, for roughly 30yrs.

I have seen white people, specifically Germans, displaced, from up and down my street.

I still remember the names.


beneficii wrote:
Even deporting illegal immigrants won't change the fact that California is a plurality state

What plurality, assuming that deportations do occur.

beneficii wrote:
and liberals are politically dominant, so I would like to know what you envision by "peaceful transition".

Many of you can't play music, drink a beer, have a discussion, or even ring a doorbell, peacably, without honking from the street-- alot. You drench your lawns, during drought advisories, turn on Christmas lights, a day before Thanksgiving, and beat your women in the church parkinglot.

I am saying this, as someone who has turned down employment, strong arming them, and who is considered a minority, myself. I have spoken, publicly, in favor of better working conditions, for them, and honored them, in open court.

As a civil person, myself, I don't envision a peaceful transition.


I don't even


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