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20 Jan 2017, 1:09 pm

I am a person with Aspergers syndrome.

I am also a philosophy major and a skeptic, and I loved to be proved wrong.

So I ask you to try to prove to me anything, no subject is too taboo to me but make sure to stay within forum rules.


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20 Jan 2017, 1:28 pm

Answer this question.

If God can do anything can God create a boulder so big that even he can't lift it?



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20 Jan 2017, 1:31 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Answer this question.

If God can do anything can God create a boulder so big that even he can't lift it?


I do not believe in the existence of any deities.

That question does show how the idea of omnipotence is internally inconsistent however.


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In the future, I hope to do things such as; go to school, study, make art, start a business, even have my own home and family. But I'm not considered a legal person and cannot yet do these things. -Sophia, sentient android.


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21 Jan 2017, 8:37 pm

1) You/person using your forum identity started this thread. I can prove this by looking at the opening post, and seeing that it was yourself who posted/created the topic.

2) You claim to be a person with asperger syndrome. I can prove that you claim to be a person, as you state you are a person. You may not actually be a person, but I can prove your claim as you claimed it, even if I can't prove the claim itself.

It is more difficult to prove you have aspergers for 2 reasons, namely:

a) You could be lying
b) The label 'Aspergers' is no longer a medical definition, ergo using a medical label to define a non-medical state of being is problematic at best.


3) You appear to have a reasonable grasp of written English. I can prove this by referring to your first post where you use the English language.

However, your use of 'loved' (i.e. past tense) implies your command of English may not be as strong as one would imagine, or you genuinely no longer love to be proved wrong.


However, none of the above matters until you as OP give your own definition of what would constitute a reasonable 'proof'.



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21 Jan 2017, 9:56 pm

I want to know if you are a genuine skeptic (this being in contrast to the infamous pseudo-skeptics).
Alright. Let me make a claim or two:

«Genuine science is not so much about 'proving' things to be believed but more about conducting experiments...»

Supporting reference-article...
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/th ... ific-proof

SeeksForTruth wrote:
I am also a philosophy major and a skeptic, and I loved to be proved wrong.


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21 Jan 2017, 10:35 pm

Toilet paper over is *vastly* superior to toilet paper under. You can hold the roll still, pull, and not get a triangular snag.

That and - whatever just happened to WP interface really sucks - I just had to click back in the text box five times to write all of this.


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21 Jan 2017, 10:58 pm

Ban-Dodger wrote:
I want to know if you are a genuine skeptic (this being in contrast to the infamous pseudo-skeptics).
Alright. Let me make a claim or two:

«Genuine science is not so much about 'proving' things to be believed but more about conducting experiments...»

Supporting reference-article...
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/th ... ific-proof

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I am also a philosophy major and a skeptic, and I loved to be proved wrong.


I simply do not think that a singular article defines what science is. But I do not think that empirical evidence is the only way to prove things as there is such a thing as rational evidence.

Do you have any claims you wish to try to prove? Because that is what this thread it for.


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In the future, I hope to do things such as; go to school, study, make art, start a business, even have my own home and family. But I'm not considered a legal person and cannot yet do these things. -Sophia, sentient android.


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21 Jan 2017, 11:01 pm

sonicallysensitive wrote:
1) You/person using your forum identity started this thread. I can prove this by looking at the opening post, and seeing that it was yourself who posted/created the topic.

2) You claim to be a person with asperger syndrome. I can prove that you claim to be a person, as you state you are a person. You may not actually be a person, but I can prove your claim as you claimed it, even if I can't prove the claim itself.

It is more difficult to prove you have aspergers for 2 reasons, namely:

a) You could be lying
b) The label 'Aspergers' is no longer a medical definition, ergo using a medical label to define a non-medical state of being is problematic at best.


3) You appear to have a reasonable grasp of written English. I can prove this by referring to your first post where you use the English language.

However, your use of 'loved' (i.e. past tense) implies your command of English may not be as strong as one would imagine, or you genuinely no longer love to be proved wrong.


However, none of the above matters until you as OP give your own definition of what would constitute a reasonable 'proof'.


The use of loved rather than love was a mistake, I meant to say love.

What I mean by proof is rational and/or empirical evidence that demonstrates that a positive claim is far more likely than a negative position or that the positive claim must necessarily be true.


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In the future, I hope to do things such as; go to school, study, make art, start a business, even have my own home and family. But I'm not considered a legal person and cannot yet do these things. -Sophia, sentient android.


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22 Jan 2017, 2:10 am

I will first claim that what is often called The Government is actually a deceptive Religion. The Government is like this Head-Diety, with Sub-Dieties, the Sub-Dieties being typically called State of [whatever state].
For that matter, not only is it a Religion that poses in the guise of a Secular-Institution, but it is also a Cult...

SeeksForTruth wrote:
Do you have any claims you wish to try to prove? Because that is what this thread it for.


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22 Jan 2017, 7:10 am

SeeksForTruth wrote:
The use of loved rather than love was a mistake, I meant to say love.

What I mean by proof is rational and/or empirical evidence that demonstrates that a positive claim is far more likely than a negative position or that the positive claim must necessarily be true.
In that case, I believe I've already given you a few.



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22 Jan 2017, 11:37 am

Ban-Dodger wrote:
I will first claim that what is often called The Government is actually a deceptive Religion. The Government is like this Head-Diety, with Sub-Dieties, the Sub-Dieties being typically called State of [whatever state].
For that matter, not only is it a Religion that poses in the guise of a Secular-Institution, but it is also a Cult...

SeeksForTruth wrote:
Do you have any claims you wish to try to prove? Because that is what this thread it for.


The definition I use for religion is as follows:

A system of beleif in particular claims pertaining the natural and supposed supernatural.

For that reason, I do not consider the governments to be religions.


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In the future, I hope to do things such as; go to school, study, make art, start a business, even have my own home and family. But I'm not considered a legal person and cannot yet do these things. -Sophia, sentient android.


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22 Jan 2017, 3:47 pm

For that very reason, the government is a religion, for its existence is indeed, supernatural.
For the «evidence» of my counter-claim, let us treat this like a court-case, and that the GOV is the Plaintiff.
Similarly to how Atheists ask self-professing so-called Christians to prove that their Christian God exists... I will ask that it be proven onto the Official Public Court-Records that the so-called GOV actually exists.

SeeksForTruth wrote:
The definition I use for religion is as follows:

A system of belief in particular claims pertaining the natural and supposed supernatural.

For that reason, I do not consider the governments to be religions.


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22 Jan 2017, 4:52 pm

TBH I think 'proving' anything is probably not an aim you want anyone to pursue and it's not an aim you'd even want to pursue.

Human knowledge is depressingly insufficient as is human cognition and all we'll ever have is growing chains of isolated facts and models of how these facts and dynamics interact but they'll probably never be grounded in anything absolute.

I could make a claim that's powerfully persuasive and could perhaps be true if I'm able to keep myself from philosophically extending its actual meaning beyond the data points. Any extension past those data points though is conjecture; it could be useful, it could aid good hypothesis building and scientific discovery, but it's not provable at that point.

To talk about the provable in that case is to talk about some very small and mundane things. The trouble with mundane things unfortunately is that they're often no longer in the cross-hairs of philosophy but rather sitting in the pool of scientifically verified facts. You can start talking about qualia and all kinds of things in reference to such objects that aren't scientifically vetted yet, that would be philosophical, but then again all you can make is a persuasive case - not a proof that will be 100% assailable or invulnerable to people's pet preferences even if it's right.


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22 Jan 2017, 5:48 pm

Okay.

Prove that matter doesnt exist.



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22 Jan 2017, 5:52 pm

You are capable of being skeptical.


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22 Jan 2017, 6:47 pm

Ganondox, you should use this thread as potential to try ad prove God to the OP.